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				<description><![CDATA[ Hello all,<br /> <br /> So I ended up getting a bunch of dark vengeance sets, and I previously posted a couple lists for the chaos army I want to create from the box sets. I'm also really looking forward to the new dark angels, because like a lot of others I've been waiting a long time to start a dark angel army. So for now I ended up buying a scibor lion knight to use as belial, and I have put together a list to compete against my chaos list. I have some spare points to play with and am unsure what to take, probably some vindicators or predators depending on what you guys think. So here's my list:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>	<br /> Librarian 	100<br /> 	<br /> Troops	<br /> 10 Tactical Marines w/ plasma rifle, plasma cannon, plasma pistol	200<br /> 10 Tactical Marines w/ plasma rifle, plasma cannon, plasma pistol	200<br /> 10 Tactical Marines w/ plasma rifle, plasma cannon, plasma pistol	200<br /> 	<br /> Fast Attack	<br /> 3 Bikers w/ 2 melta guns, melta bombs	125<br /> 3 Bikers w/ 2 melta guns, melta bombs	125<br /> 3 Bikers w/ 2 melta guns, melta bombs	125<br /> <br /> Allies:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>	<br /> Belial	130<br /> 	<br /> Troops	<br /> Deathwing w/ chainfist, cyclone missile launcher	240<br /> Deathwing w/ chainfist, cyclone missile launcher	240<br /> <br /> Total: 1685pts<br /> <br /> So I have 315pts to mess around with, and I was thinking about putting in 2 lascannon preds and maybe putting my librarian on a bike or giving him termy armour (if so can he deepstrike with allies? Little unsure about ally rules). As of right now my game plan was to sit footslog my marines to an objective and have them sit their the majority of the game and hopefully dissuade any attackers. The bikes are my dedicated tank hunters, and will be speeding up the flanks to start popping tanks or transports. Belial will deep strike with the deathwing, and depending on what's going on in the game will either deploy deep into enemy territory or deploy close to some objectives to get those points later in the game. I'm playing against my chaos army, so I won't be facing any fliers, but the addition of some preds would help my anti-flier in case I end up against some flier spam. The only thing I am unsure about is the role of my librarian. I essentially picked him as a good, cheap <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> but I'm not sure if he would be better suited with the terminators or with the bikes, or even camping at home with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> marines. Any suggestions would be great<br /> <br /> Just for some comparison here is the chaos list I ended up with after some critique from dakka. I didn't end up posting it in the original thread due to life, but here it is regardless:<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>	<br /> Sorcerer w/ 2 mastery levels, aura of dark glory	125<br /> 		<br /> Elites	<br /> 5 chaos terminators w/ 5 combi-plasma, 5 lightning claws, mark of khorne	212<br /> <br /> Troops	<br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> w/ 2 plasma guns, mark of nurgle, veterans of the long war	210<br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> w/ 2 plasma guns, mark of nurgle, veterans of the long war	210<br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> w/ 2 melta guns, melta bomb, power fist, veterans of the long war, rhino	235<br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> w/ 2 melta guns, melta bomb, power fist, veterans of the long war, rhino	235<br /> 	<br /> Fast Attack	<br /> 5 Raptors w/ 2 meltaguns, mark of slaanesh, icon of excess	150<br /> 5 Raptors w/ 2 meltaguns, mark of slaanesh, icon of excess	150<br /> 	<br /> Heavy Support	<br /> Forgefiend w/ ectoplasm	200<br /> Forgefiend w/ ectoplasm	200<br /> Obliterator w/ veteran of the long war	73<br /> <br /> I may end up throwing some berserkers in there just for fun but basically it is a large body count for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> in comparison to some of the nurgle lists that seem pretty popular now. The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(100);'>MoN</span> marines sit at home and camp on objectives while marines in rhinos ride into the enemy zone and try to do some damage or slow the enemy down for a few turns. The raptors and terminators will be deepstriking and trying to do lots of damage. The raptors have the icon of excess to hopefully keep them around for an extra turn to do some extra damage. I was going to take mark of nurgle but it didn't seem like it fit the raptors <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. The terminators have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(99);'>MoK</span> and combi-plasma to seriously put the hurt on <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(95);'>MEQ</span>'s. The sorcerer will probably stick with the camping marines and cast some spells to help the marines sit on those objectives. The obliterator is there because I had some extra points and was unsure about what to do with them, but I could potentially take those points and change some <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> to berserkers or something along those lines. The forgefiends are there to mow down everything, assuming I can keep them alive long enough.<br /> <br /> So essentially I've built these two armies to play some casual games with some friends who don't have any warhammer. I use to be very competitive but realized it wasn't fun playing friends like that, and I'm generally too shy/busy to go to a game store <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. So do you guys think these armies would be reasonably matched against each other? Thanks for your time<br /> <br /> 	<br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Trogdor]]></author>
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				<title>2000pt Vanilla Marines with Dark Angel Ally and 2000pt Chaos</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ You could throw some dreadnoughts in your imperium army.<br /> 2 dreads in a pod each.<br /> Another pod for one of your tacticals.<br /> Now you can deepstrike Belial and 2 dreads on turn 1.<br /> <br /> Just a thought...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:47:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ phoenix darkus]]></author>
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