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Is it dead Jim?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969400.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969512.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/wzk70836.html

Or the new singles set coming out later?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969540.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
http://heroclix.com/category/heroclix/star-trek-tactics/#axzz2By7prP24

Announced a year ago, came out around January and no news since then. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969926.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969943.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969953.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Tactics]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4969982.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
On September 22nd, 2012, WizKids announced a new game with 30+ ships which will include ships from the Vulcan, Ferengi, Cardassian, Dominion, Romulan, and Federation factions. It is slated for release in January, 2013.


Course this means I'm now tempted to pick it up...

I do love me some toy space ships.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4970074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4970074.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? FLGS just got in their second shipment about a month ago after being sold out since a few weeks after the original release.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4970381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4970381.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4971635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4971635.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4972374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4972374.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
12thRonin wrote:
There's also supposed to be a Romulan expansion for the Fleet Captains game.


Yeah, I saw that this weekend at my local store.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4972752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4972752.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/ctastarfleet.html]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4972781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4972781.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Mad4Minis wrote:
Glad to see this keep alive. Although the complete lack of scale bothers me greatly, Ill probably pick up a bunch of them for display.


Never understood the obession with 'scale' in a space game. I mean unless you're playing with grains of rice in an empty parking lot it's pretty much a moot point.

So the ships may as well look good.


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Seems to be based on Star Fleet Battles a game that's about as much fun as doing my taxes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4973187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4973187.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:



Seems to be based on Star Fleet Battles a game that's about as much fun as doing my taxes.


I thoguht it was the Star Fleet Battles 'setting'* but the Mongoose Call To Arms system (tweaked for Start Trek).

*Their setting being a weird alternate Star trek setting branching off from the original series into a more warfare-heavy future, as I understand,]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4973233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4973233.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
But yeah, new expansions for both the Starship Captains and the Star Trek Tactics games in the next four months. I'm down for the STT stuff myself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4974478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4974478.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 MightyGodzilla wrote:
d I thinks the scale thing is more wanting to see how the ships literally size up to each other. At least for me being a modeller as well as a Tabletop gamer that's cerainly the case. For instance the Romulan D'derirex ship commonly seen in TNG is a lot bigger than any of the Enterprises, but you'd never tell it by the Clix game.

But yeah, new expansions for both the Starship Captains and the Star Trek Tactics games in the next four months. I'm down for the STT stuff myself.
Really? I thought they were about the same size as the "D."

If all the ships were scaled to each other, they'd have a hard time selling some of them in booster packs. Just think of it as perspective. "That Defiant's awfully close!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975533.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Bat Manuel wrote:
If all the ships were scaled to each other, they'd have a hard time selling some of them in booster packs. Just think of it as perspective. "That Defiant's awfully close!"


More realistically, they're just icons or synthetic representations on a nifty 3d display. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975686.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
I'll put away the modeller fu and the ST knowledge base so we can get back on topic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975763.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 MightyGodzilla wrote:
d I thinks the scale thing is more wanting to see how the ships literally size up to each other. At least for me being a modeller as well as a Tabletop gamer that's cerainly the case. For instance the Romulan D'derirex ship commonly seen in TNG is a lot bigger than any of the Enterprises, but you'd never tell it by the Clix game.



Thats it for me too. I was a modeler long before a gamer. ALL my aircraft were 1:48 scale, ALL my armor was 1:35.

As far as my OCD-ish want for scale in a space game (and all mini games I play)...it just bothers me to have a miniature for the 110 meter long B'rel Class Bird of Prey being about the same size as a miniature for the 1353 meter long D'Deridex class Warbird. It would be like GW making a Land Raider to fit on a 25mm base, and telling people to pretend it was big enough to hold a squad of marines. It would be absolutely silly.

As an interesting side note, the STT Klingon Bird of Prey scales up almost perfectly with the 1:2500 scale Cadet Series models currently available from AMT. They are all snap together, but still pretty nice. Currently available are the Enterprise TOS, 1701-A, B, C, D, E. Coming in late December is a set that includes the Enterprise A, Reliant (Miranda Class), and a Klingon D-7. There are also numerous newer TNG era models (also 1:2500 scale) available in resin from other manufacturers.

For a size comparison...the STT Klingon BoP is a bit under 2 inches, the Enterprise C (Ambassador Class) model I have is over 8 inches. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4975857.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Mad4Minis wrote:
It would be like GW making a Land Raider to fit on a 25mm base, and telling people to pretend it was big enough to hold a squad of marines. It would be absolutely silly.


Well, really, none of the Space Marine transports would have a hope in hell of actually holding what they say they can. But I sympathize, I keep trying to find 1/100 scale aircraft to go with my flames of war stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4976285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4976285.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Dawnbringer wrote:
 Mad4Minis wrote:
It would be like GW making a Land Raider to fit on a 25mm base, and telling people to pretend it was big enough to hold a squad of marines. It would be absolutely silly.


Well, really, none of the Space Marine transports would have a hope in hell of actually holding what they say they can. But I sympathize, I keep trying to find 1/100 scale aircraft to go with my flames of war stuff.


People have shoved 10 Space Marines in a Rhino, admittedly by using older, generally smaller, Space Marine minis. I think the example I remember was 10 in an old-style Rhino, using Land Speeder pilots or similar. It's a tight fit, but from what I've heard, real-world APCs aren't roomy either, especially when it's 10 guys and their gear.

However, for space ships, keep in mind that the important bit is often a dot at the base of the ship. The rest is just fluff. This is to represent scale, as even Star Trek combats tend to be at long ranges. So that's why I suggested it should be considered the equivalent of an icon on a strategic display, or perhaps a synthetic view: A computer assembles the actual view and inserts known images of the ship at an exaggerated scale so they can easily be identified, even though the real ship would be minuscule.

I can understand the scale concerns. I generally do like it if classes-of-ships are the same, but it's not a killer for me. i'd rather deal with weird scales than deal with a game where the rules are based on a 'point' but the minis range in size from normal to ridiculously huge, so big that they cause problems. The latter could be a problem in Mongoose's older B5: ACTA, which had some huge minis at the end of it's run.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4976417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4976417.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? always in scale. Or never.

Same goes for most Star Trek ships, apparently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4977407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4977407.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4978056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4978056.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979203.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
12thRonin wrote:
Except it is?
dun, dun, DUUUUNN!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979260.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? FFG gave the Star Wars X-wing game... at least scale wise. No one was expecting perfection especially with how much the shows were inconsistent, but these were a bit of a let down.

The Bird of Prey for example, is suppose to be the smallest Klingon ship but is physically the largest klingon model. I wasn't expecting perfection, but there should have been at least some consistency with general relations. Ships like the Enterprise D, is suppose to be a large ship, and Wizkids has larger base sizes for larger miniatures and should have made those larger ships on them. Lazy effort doesn't get my money.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979294.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979334.page GMT Re:So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Fortunately, the Klingon Bird of Prey is always in scale. Or never.

Same goes for most Star Trek ships, apparently.


Explained on the Star Trek wiki, Memory Alpha...there are 2 different BoP classes...the scout size B'rel Class (listed as 110 meters long), and the K'Vort Class Battlecruiser (no length listed). The B'rel is what most would call the "real" BoP. The K'vort class may have only been mentioned by name in the episode "Yesterdays Enterprise"...which being an alternate reality episode some variance is acceptable.


However, all in all Star Trek does have a bad record of scaling their ships on the screen.


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 aka_mythos wrote:
I think its dead... I knew only a couple people who even bought 1 booster and the concensus was that the scale was too off. I think most of us expected a level of effort more similar to what FFG gave the Star Wars X-wing game... at least scale wise. No one was expecting perfection especially with how much the shows were inconsistent, but these were a bit of a let down.

The Bird of Prey for example, is suppose to be the smallest Klingon ship but is physically the largest klingon model. I wasn't expecting perfection, but there should have been at least some consistency with general relations. Ships like the Enterprise D, is suppose to be a large ship, and Wizkids has larger base sizes for larger miniatures and should have made those larger ships on them. Lazy effort doesn't get my money.


Agreed on all points. Some effort at scale would have been nice. I think the reason they didnt do it was the tie-in with the board game, which required the restricting of model size. It would have been much better if they had been Clix only, and took advantage of the available base sizes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4979783.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
12thRonin wrote:
Except it is?


Not in most areas. No-one in my area liked it, and most threads on HCRealms regarding it were generally negative.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4980242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4980242.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Darth Bob wrote:
12thRonin wrote:
Except it is?


Not in most areas. No-one in my area liked it, and most threads on HCRealms regarding it were generally negative.


I'm talking about it's getting an expansion and your statement that it appears is dead. Were that the case, I doubt they'd put money toward two expansions for two games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4980688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4980688.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Darth Bob wrote:
12thRonin wrote:
Except it is?


Not in most areas. No-one in my area liked it, and most threads on HCRealms regarding it were generally negative.
It doesn't mesh well with normal Heroclix as the ships are pointed against each other and not other sets (Streetfighter has the same problem). Also people don't like the idea of Spiderman beating up the Enterprise. As a stand alone set, it makes for a pretty good game.

And I don't know how well traveled you are to claim it's dead in most areas so I can't refute your claim, but sweeping generalizations aren't usually viewed as intelligent ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4983030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4983030.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 Bat Manuel wrote:
Also people don't like the idea of Spiderman beating up the Enterprise.

...Ahh. Just when one of my sig quotes was starting to feel a bit stale ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4983393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4983393.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
And I have to say, I'm with Kyoto on the scale issue. There is simply no economically feasible way to do a game like Tactics or Fleet Captains with models that are even close to scale; the size differences between TOS era ships and TNG ships alone would make that difficult, but you also have to add in the problem of truly huge ships like the Borg cube as well as the fact that many ships had scales that fluctuated significantly over the course of the various shows and movies (the BoP mentioned earlier being just one example). FF had a much easier time of it with X-Wing IMO; doing small fighters to scale with each other is pretty easy as they will all be close in size. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4983801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4983801.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4985240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4985240.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 aka_mythos wrote:
Scale wouldn't be that difficult. Enterprise D and similarly sized ships would roughly fit on their "giant" sized bases. Enterprise A thru C sized ships on the pill shaped bases, Defiant and Bird of prey on the small standard size circular base. Of the ships were then sculpted to fill those bases the scaling would be client enough.


Oh, I agree, it would definitely be possible to do, I'm not arguing that. My point was that I don't think it would be economically feasible to do, given the number of ships that Wizkids apparently wanted to include. Heck, Fleet Captains costs $80+ as it is! Plus, mounting the large TNG ships on "giant" bases would make them pretty unworkable for the boardgame, which means they would only be sold as Heroclix units, thus removing some of the economic advangates of doing parallel development for both Tactics and Fleet Captains. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4985269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4985269.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4986020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4986020.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 aka_mythos wrote:
Well that's their real failure, they shouldn't have tried to do 3 different games with the all the same miniatures. Some ships being smaller for a board game would have been fine because its a bit of a different beast.
How is that a failure?

The larger "Super Boosters" don't really sell well. They cost too much($25-$40) and people don't want to take a gamble on buying more than one. It stings a lot less to buy a blind booster for $5 and get a ship you already had or didn't want then to do the same for $40.

There is no good business reason to scale them correctly based on heroclix sizes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4986313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4986313.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4986613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4986613.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
If you really need to work in scale, use the plastic kits. Most of them are in scale, except for the D'Diridex and BoP, depending on which episode you watched recently. You can always use a cardboard box covered in sprue bits as a Borg cube. You can make your own bases out of board or clip them from other sources.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4987657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4987657.page GMT So is Heroclix Star Trek dead?
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm personallyvery happy with their lack of scale. I plan to buy all the ships and clip off their bases so I can integrate them into my micromachines collection. I guess you could call the scale "1/child's hand size", because these toys are ideal for children (and adults...ahem) who just want a toy space ship. Since my son will grow up with a lot of science fiction in the house, these toys will be ideal for him.


That's actually a really good point; now that you mention it, I think the Heroclix Trek ships would stand up quite well to that kind of play.

If you really need to work in scale, use the plastic kits. Most of them are in scale, except for the D'Diridex and BoP, depending on which episode you watched recently. You can always use a cardboard box covered in sprue bits as a Borg cube. You can make your own bases out of board or clip them from other sources.


And actually, most of the major ship kits have been released in a number of different scales in the past, so you could probably get pretty close to having a to-scale collection if you looked around; at the very least, I bet you could get to within +/-20%, which is probably reasonable given the "fuzziness" of scaling in the source material.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4987996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/488410/4987996.page GMT