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Some of the guidelines that I thought were important:
-These guys swarm, and drown you in weight of numbers.
-They have an advantage in the sheer number of large creatures they can throw out.
-Flying units have been addressed in this Edition, so Tyranid flyers need some attention to bring them in line.
-The Tyranid swarm is known to adapt quickly.

HQs:

Spoiler:

Elites:

Spoiler:

Troops:

Spoiler:

Fast Attack:

Spoiler:

Heavy Support

Spoiler:

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A few of my suggestions,
Heavy venom cannon becomes assault 2 no blast or ap 3 blast
Brain worms ap5
Spike rifle str4 ap4 assault x 18"
Warriors need t5 or 25pts each.
Regen to change to "it will not die"
Naked fex for 125-30pts and option for 2+ save
Harpy 140pts and similar options to fex
Tyranofex ( this one may get me shot lol) 4 wounds, 200 pts
Acid spray 25pts str 6 ap3, rupture cannon str10 ap d6, fleshboror hive str 5 ap5 heavy 20 range18" brainleech
Thats some of em
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Formosa wrote:
Looking good, few pointers though, tyrant should.not get free toxin and adrenal.glands, these would be auto.takes otherwise and if so, why not just put it in its profile.

A few of my suggestions,
Heavy venom cannon becomes assault 2 no blast or ap 3 blast
Brain worms ap5
Spike rifle str4 ap4 assault x 18"
Warriors need t5 or 25pts each.
Regen to change to "it will not die"
Naked fex for 125-30pts and option for 2+ save
Harpy 140pts and similar options to fex
Tyranofex ( this one may get me shot lol) 4 wounds, 200 pts
Acid spray 25pts str 6 ap3, rupture cannon str10 ap d6, fleshboror hive str 5 ap5 heavy 20 range18" brainleech
Thats some of em

Thanks for catching those upgrade bloopers. Fixed. As for the weapons, I am going to try and not mess with those for now. I am putting out some work now on balancing out the elite options, and the thing that has me concerned is just making sure that choices become valid. Also, making Deathleaper seem like a mainstream competative choice is difficult. Also, the elite section is now up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037430.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition ib on lictors needs to go, pyrovores needs acid spray and torrent rule, flesh hooks on deathleaper need to force an enemy to accept a challenge...get over here lol, doom is a bit cheap.
Could you explain the 1-9 choices for certain entries, also when you get round to making the harpy make sure it can take twin linked devourers with worms, as at the moment all it can do to other flyers is... Nowt ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037826.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

Formosa wrote:
Sorry if I'm missing something... But ib on lictors needs to go, pyrovores needs acid spray and torrent rule, flesh hooks on deathleaper need to force an enemy to accept a challenge...get over here lol, doom is a bit cheap.
Could you explain the 1-9 choices for certain entries, also when you get round to making the harpy make sure it can take twin linked devourers with worms, as at the moment all it can do to other flyers is... Nowt

Excellent points, however, some are misguided. The reason why the lictors have instinctive behaviour is because they are not genestealers or synapse creatures. They must have the instinctive behaviour tests. Also, Flamespurt is more than capable of handling the damage that a Pyrovore should wield. Torrent is a tough sell, simply because most people are already disinclined against the pyrovore, and also, Torrent would justify raising the price of the unit, therefore making it much more difficult to balance out with the rest of the elite units. Deathleaper is really tricky, because that would most likely make the character too powerful. As is, he is more survivable, while cheeper, allowing you to spend those extra points elsewhere to bolster your hordes. Besides, as 6th edition has come out, those flesh hooks technically already give you the chance to strike at a major character in a unit. Most of the time, these troops sit in the back, or the middle, or something along those lines, so as long as you deploy the lictors and deathleaper closest to that model, the enemy will have to roll wounds on that character. As for the devilish little Doom of Malan'tai, I actually raised the price from the codex. What would you suggest as a better price? I kept the price higher, but still low, in order to take into account that most people will place the Doom of Malan'Tai inside a drop pod, which will raise the price of the model anyways.

As for the options on boosting certain numbers of units, I felt it was an option due to the fact that many of these units would be simply killed by the large amount of firepower that is present in 6th edition. Keeping costs low allows for suitable battlefield losses while still allowing these units a chance to fight back and give as good as get. Also, there are a disproportionate amount of people who buy Pyrovore models for use as biovores, and this gives them the chance to display them all in all their goodness, as intended. What was your opinion on the numbers, though? Also, Harpies are a ways away, and no promises.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037912.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition As to troops, I have always thought 14 pts for a stealer is too much, 12 seems fair to me, but then it's may be too cheap, gaunts are fine and warriors are far far too expensive for what they can do, as I said before 25 pts each or leave.them as is but make them t5.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037971.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5037971.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

Formosa wrote:
Fair enough, your points are well made, another thought I had ( again contraveracial) is rather than 1-9 venomthropes in a brood, keep it 1-3 but allow them to be attached to a unit.
As to troops, I have always thought 14 pts for a stealer is too much, 12 seems fair to me, but then it's may be too cheap, gaunts are fine and warriors are far far too expensive for what they can do, as I said before 25 pts each or leave.them as is but make them t5.

Honestly, I did try to come up with a way to attach venomthropes to infantry, but could not come up with it. As is, I think we must deal with the simple truth that we will just have to put them between two units as a sandwhich. If you have an idea that wont break the meta and turn an elite unit into a scoring unit, i am all ears.

Also, just finished up the troop section, and I kept some areas the same. I do agree that it is expensive for a genestealer unit, however, they are an elite close combat infantry unit, so they do deserve some sort of price tag above and beyond. Your remark on the warrior toughness made me frown. To be honest, the warriors are every bit as fragile as their smaller counterpart, and it is a theme of Tyranids that most of their units have T4 or less, except when you get into the big boys. However, tell me what you guys think about the Ripper swarms. I tried to make them seem far more valuable, and hopefully they are. I took away their ability to spinefist with the buff, that way things wouldn't get insane. My thinking was that rippers are the most abundant form of tyranid bio form, so they needed to be relatively cheap, and extremely dangerous if they get close. After all, these things are the primary harvesters, digesting everything the hive fleet needs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5038597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5038597.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
As far as Venomthropes go... make them ICs, just like Sanguinary Guard.

Compare your Rippers to your Hormagaunts. Now tell me why I'd ever choose Hormagaunts. 2 points cheaper per base when you add AG/TS, triple the wounds and the blast/template vulnerability is not that big of a deal (especially with triple the wounds and cheaper). Mindless sucks but at 160 points for a full unit, throwing a Prime in there for 50 is just fine. 890 points gets you 120 AG/TS rippers plus 2 primes. What army can deal with 360 wounds at 1k points?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5038642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5038642.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5038856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5038856.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition As an ic can already, and the unit still scores]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039502.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

Formosa wrote:
Remember tyrants used to be able to join other units, this is where "shoot the big ones" came from, now I'm not saying bringthat back, but allowing genome to join a unit would be fine,
As an ic can already, and the unit still scores

While they were able to join units (all Tyranid MCs could at one point), they were able to be picked out for shooting. Shoot the Big Ones! just removed cover provided by units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039665.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039665.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition ICs, I am all ears. I will be working on the Fast Attack and Heavy Support sections soon, so keep suggestions and the feedback rolling. Oh, and before I forget, why do you think the pyrovores should be allowed to join other units like the venomthropes?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039674.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition ICs by ... making a squad and giving all of them the IC rule.

Wolf Guard aren't ICs, they're "special".

I think you went too far on the Ripper points - they're 10 ponts per base right now and ... so you save 4 points per base on decking them out (AG/TS) and give them an extra attack?
Not bad, but not sure if it's ideal either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039813.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039840.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039920.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

rigeld2 wrote:
Making them more expensive than a Hormagaunt assumes that Hormagaunts are costed correctly in the first place.

Making a hormagaunt cheaper is probably a bad idea. For wound saturation, do you really think it's even remotely fair to have a unit that costs even 4 pts? that 120 pts for 30 wounds. At 2k, thats 360 wounds in troops, for just under 1,500 pts. I'm sorry, but you would win just through tar pits, regardless of the army at that point. As is, I don't think I have ever heard of a person complaining about Termagants or Hormagaunts being too expensive or too undercosted. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. However, always up for suggestions, provided they are well written and have substance behind them. Justify a lower costs, and I'll consider it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5039977.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition AG/TS is just ... weird. 10 points for a maxed Hormagaunt, 5 points for a naked Termy that gets free buffs from momma. And Counter-Attack.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040008.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040065.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition CC. Spending 360 points for 9 worthless models doesn't make it a good thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040169.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040245.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040248.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition • Acid Maw - For it's one attack, it ignores armor saves.
• Toxic Touch - I missed this the first time through - again, only 1 attack.

9 of them is 360 points. We'll have them charge 9 naked SB/PF Terminators (same points and FOC slot, neither are CC oriented units). Everyone swings at the same time.
Vores: 18 attacks, 9 hit, 9 wound, 6 failed invul saves, 6 terminators die.
Terminators: 18 attacks, 12 hit, 10 wound, 10 dead Pyrovores. 9 wounds, 3 fail the I test, 2 invuls fail. 4 explosions, 1 wound, no failed saves. Total 8 terminators dead and they won the day.

I don't see that being a good use of points. I did skip firing the flamers - that might make a difference, but I doubt a significant one and it's hard to mathammer flamers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040469.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040560.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition Init, more attacks... give them an actual role instead of something like "LOL I HAZ A FLAMAR!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040632.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
http://www.mediafire.com/?9f6y6qfl6axa1it

Poor formatting though. Never got around to fixing it up into codex formatting. Got sick of the terrible 5th codex and finally abandoned it to build more into my eldar army.

I dont like a lot of the design decisions you made. Mostly with not combating a lot of the problems with the current codex. Tyrants are too costly, lictors are still useless, pyrovores are still useless, hive guard are still the go-to unit for the codex, slots are still congested, fexes are still overcosted, tervigon still exists, ect.

edit: sp]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040758.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040794.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition FnP available but I feel with the size and toughness of these bigger bugs we should have some invul saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040873.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5040999.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition Inv saves largely dont make sense for nids. The zoan has one because its whole existence is dedicated to creating it. The trygon should have one as it did in the IA4 forgeworld version as the electric field it generates could detonate shells or disrupt electrical weapons before they hit.

FnP should be more widespread and should be an option for the tyrant. Either as a power or just an ability to give to others.

Old catylist needs to be brought back as it was the nid's solution to lack of grenades that was really fluffy.

Endless swarm needs to replace the tervigon as that creature makes no tactical sense at all.

Giving gaunts or rippers the ability to scout would make a lot of sense as they are often the precursor to the actual armies.

Rippers need something, im still not sure what as their purpose is largely a non-game feature (reclaiming biomass).

Warriors NEED to be T5 2W.

genestealers need a rule to allow assault out of outflank and infiltration.

Tyranid Prime is too good for 50 points. Nids really dont make much sense having an IC either. Make him perm attached to a unit but gain the movement abilities of the unit (shrikes, wings; raveners, beasts)

Pyrovore needs a S5 AP3 6" torrent flamer. expensive unit, but very strong vs MEQ.

Biovore needs some type of flak barrage vs fliers. S6 AP- ignores cover, concussive. Make them pay for the upgrade but be able to fire any mine type.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041120.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition FnP options which essentially gives them a invul save for brief periods. I always had a hard time with the tervigon 3+ and the trygon 3+. I feel they should be 2+ similar to that of the tyranofexx. I just find it hard to belive that a massive trygon or Tyrant gets a 3+ saves and so does a space marine. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041137.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition Hormagaunts could get Scout - stay the same points they already are, upgrades same, get Scout. That'd make them useful without adding a Horvigon.
Pyrovore needs AP3 on the flamer. He'd be fine as-is if he had AP3 imo.
Prime needs wings/snake tail options.
Warriors need something to "fix" the prevalence of STR8+.
Need more Flesh Hooks - especially on Genestealers and Hormagaunts. Maybe as a psychic power for the Broodlord? (Ymgarl genestealers need the same thing though - maybe give them a Broodlord option?)
Carnifexes need a point reduction.
Zoanthropes are fine, Venomthropes need the IC rule (be the ability to be split out like Wolf Guard/Crypteks)
Harpy needs a direct fire gun - not a blast/large blast

I don't think the Trygon needs a 2+ - he's fast, lean, and mean. The thick armor a 2+ implies would impede him too much.
Old One Eye just ... wow.

Whoever said we should swap regen for It Will Not Die should be shot. Regen is much better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041212.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5041225.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
Edit: spelling]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5047267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5047267.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition MCs. I might be okay with that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5047297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5047297.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
Anyway my idea for harpy.
Ws 3
Bs 3
Str7
T6
I5
A2
Ld8
Sv4+
Wargear: twin linked impalor cannon, stinger salvo, scythe talons
May exchange imp cannon for 1 of the following
Same as codex bids
Other rules same too, points to be changed to 130]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048751.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition STR and T? I don't think they need it, especially with the weapon you've given them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048771.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition str 7 just for vector strike?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048934.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition If you want a stronger Vector Strike, make it an upgrade. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5048968.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition And yes I now see it's t5, but Thats dim, it's a bid mc, should be t6.... But then I think carnifexs should be t7]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049002.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition IMO. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049036.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049061.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5049788.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition str 10 flying round the board seemed... Harsh, but on th either end of that, if it was done it would make the tyranofex pretty pointless.
Something else I think would be cool is allowing the harpy to spawn gargoyles like the tervigon, or just allowing it to transport up to 15 with.it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5050228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5050228.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5051799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5051799.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition cc, I tested out a rupture cannon harpy today, crazy good lol, took down 3 night sythes with 1, totally badass]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5052135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5052135.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5053333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5053333.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
As to fexs, they are fine now but vastly overcosted, 120-30 pts would make them worth taking, any less and they are too easy to spam, when you get round to 're-doing the weapons list give me a pm, got lots of ideas for that

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Edit: Also he might be slightly overpointed. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071658.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

rigeld2 wrote:
Where is OOE getting invul from? Just because?

Edit: Also he might be slightly overpointed.

I was knocking it around as since he has a disturbing tendancy to live and not get killed except by shots to the eye, then I figured that even though something can get around the armor, he should have a nice little save for just being that annoying. Really, It's there so that he can basically go on his rampages and do what he does best.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071673.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071679.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition atm is, the layout.

It's a massive wall of text, and the formatting doesn't play nice on the forums.
There's a plain-text template in my signature I made specifically for the forum, and if you put each unit in Spoiler Tags it'll help break it up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071698.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5071727.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
Just curious though, why change the Raveners to have wings? I think they fit the beast category very well personally. I forget if beasts have fleet by default now, but if they didn't than beast + fleet would make them have a reliable 24" threat range.

Also, why the 1-9 for Lictors? I was really surprised when they moved in the direction of bigger broods, because it doesn't match any of the fluff I remember.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5073567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5073567.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition Carnifexs: perfect, not too cheap after upgrades and now are not a joke, being I1 still hurts, I suggest i2and frag spines as option(10pts)
Tyrant: still hela expensive, drop to 170 again, otherwise fine
Tyranofex: still too expensive, buff to bs4 or drop points slightly
Harpy: fine.. Perfect even
Lictors: hela broken.. It's mad, drop to max 6 per brood, 1 unit was able to walk through a guard army due to stealth, shroud and ability to turn up anywhere.
Old one eye: too hard... I mean god damn, between regen, it will not die/feel no pain and a 3++ this this is damn near immortal, took out 2!! 10 man th\ss units with him.....while satisfying felt it was a bit much]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5074563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5074563.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition OOE should, on average, tie against a full TH/SS squad.
The Tyranid player got really lucky on regen rolls I'd bet. Edit: you had something casting Catalyst/Endurance on him every turn? He doesn't have FNP by default.

While Lictors are strong in assault I can't help but think that their performance was also luck. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5074906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5074906.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition TH/SS unit cost ya, roughly? Also, the lictor brood increase was justifying that they can become large swarms, like in the ghorala incident where a large brood of them was designed to kill 1 orc. I will be looking into size mechanics on them, since you have mentioned it. Keep up the testing, and lets see how well we get this down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5075298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5075298.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5075565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5075565.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition fnp was put on by tervigon.
The issue with lictors wad there relative cheapness conbined with a large unit.
I also tested out the venomthropes as characters in units, this immediately fixes them,, but has ups and downs, put them in a hom unit and it's slow, and tervigon can't spawn unit with one, 10 man unit of gants with on is a waste, so me and my mate's started to rock full units with one in, this helped a ton and looked cool to boot
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5075827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5075827.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5077765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5077765.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5086686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5086686.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition TH/SS Terminator squads, and he seems to be balanced. I think you might have had some good luck blowing through through those 2 squads. On average, he seemed to rip through roughly 80% of it. Now, it's more just testing out a Parasite of Mortrex themed army. If anyone wants to try out a monsterous creature spam list or two, I don't quite have the models to field them, and see how well it tends to do?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5089401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5089401.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5146136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5146136.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5146418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5146418.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition hits just to wound him and 10 TH/SS Terminators to barely kill him on the charge. He can shrug off the full number of attacks from a charging 30-man Slugga squad (120 attacks) and he can laugh any SC off the table with contemptuous ease. That's without factoring in Regen/IWND. The only way to reliably kill him is to either Force Weapon him, JotWW him or shoot him with something like a Wraithcannon and pray that he fails his 3++. He's just too much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5147401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5147401.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5148342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5148342.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I don't like Old One-Eye, he's too good against everything. You need 22 BS4 Lascannon shots to kill him, 36 S4 hits just to wound him and 10 TH/SS Terminators to barely kill him on the charge. He can shrug off the full number of attacks from a charging 30-man Slugga squad (120 attacks) and he can laugh any SC off the table with contemptuous ease. That's without factoring in Regen/IWND. The only way to reliably kill him is to either Force Weapon him, JotWW him or shoot him with something like a Wraithcannon and pray that he fails his 3++. He's just too much.

And for almost 400 points I see no problems whatsoever with what you stated. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149298.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

Unyielding Hunger wrote:
That would be interesting, however it would drastically raise their cost. The trick would be to balance is so that you don't have something that just mutated to dual boneswords coming out and assualting a unit on the turn they arrived.

Maybe have to options, pick one of e current morphs, or randomise the weapons. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149363.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

rigeld2 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I don't like Old One-Eye, he's too good against everything. You need 22 BS4 Lascannon shots to kill him, 36 S4 hits just to wound him and 10 TH/SS Terminators to barely kill him on the charge. He can shrug off the full number of attacks from a charging 30-man Slugga squad (120 attacks) and he can laugh any SC off the table with contemptuous ease. That's without factoring in Regen/IWND. The only way to reliably kill him is to either Force Weapon him, JotWW him or shoot him with something like a Wraithcannon and pray that he fails his 3++. He's just too much.

And for almost 400 points I see no problems whatsoever with what you stated.

It's not only about the price, it's about target saturation and force concentration. Old One-Eye on his own is almost counterable, Old One-Eye with a swarm of Gaunts and 2 Trygons (and, heaven forbid, FNP). If you've got the Swarmlord and Old One-Eye and Swarmy gets Iron Arm it's more or less game over, no one's gonna have the firepower to shut the two of them down. He synergises a bit too well with 'Nidzilla.

My suggestion would be to drop the Invuln and give him FNP instead, lowering his cost substantially. That way he'll be even more resilient to small-arms fire than even a Tyrannofex, but you'll actually be able to damage him with the stuff that's supposed to counter him without having to throw something absurd like 10 TH/SS Terminators at him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149919.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition FNP(4+) because of his ability to not die a lot of the time, and drop the invunerable save. Would it break him to much to give him some sort of necron/st.celest style get back up? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5149958.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

Eldercaveman wrote:
Give old one eye FNP(4+) because of his ability to not die a lot of the time, and drop the invunerable save. Would it break him to much to give him some sort of necron/st.celest style get back up?

FNP (5+) would be more than enough IMO, it's effectively an invulnerable save on him anyway. And yes, having him stand up again would be beyond broken.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150052.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Give old one eye FNP(4+) because of his ability to not die a lot of the time, and drop the invunerable save. Would it break him to much to give him some sort of necron/st.celest style get back up?

FNP (5+) would be more than enough IMO, it's effectively an invulnerable save on him anyway. And yes, petting him stand up again would be beyond broken.

Fair enough, I could see that FNP would probably be better than that invul. I'll consider it along with a potential price reduction. And we could give him a form of coming back to life. The problems are that I don't like making up new rules, when the old ones are good enough. Also, I would have to raise the price of this bad boy to 500 pts. 500 pts in 1 model would be overkill, and bring him out of the competative light.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150237.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150397.page GMT Re:Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition FNP saves, how much would you hazard the points should change? Down a few, or even up more? For now, I will throw out a ball park 320.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5150417.page GMT Tyranid Fandex: 6th Edition
Rupture Cannon has got to be AP1. It only makes sense that one of the biggest weapons, as far as model size goes, in the game has punch enough to blow some tanks up.

Maybe for balance one might argue to drop it to 4 wounds but I think it is already too expensive, especially with the Rupture Cannon upgrade.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5199370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492346/5199370.page GMT