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				<description><![CDATA[ So, I wasn't 100% sure where to put this. I'm planning to play a chaos army, but having them fluff wise be traitor loyalist marines. Anyone here played as this before and give me some tips on how to theme my force a little? The fluff is that their librarian corrupted them to Chaos<br />  Thanks in advance!<br /> <br /> Edit: first post ever k cool.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 03:09:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Traitor Space Marines/Chaos Intergration</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Its actually fairly common to play a loyal chapter of marines that have fallen to chaos they are called renegades and for whatever reason they have broke from the Imperium and are now dedicated to furthering the cause of chaos.<br /> <br /> I actually myself have a Nurgle <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> army that was formerly loyal until corruption during the Abyssal Crusade.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Traitor loyalist marines?<br /> <br /> What do you mean?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 04:21:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> means recent traitors, in contrast with the original legionarries?<br /> <br /> The oldest (written) and most famous bit of later loyalists turning traitor is the Badab war, where one chapter eventually turned to wholly traitor, and a handful of others turned renegade but... (if you don't know the story, I won't ruin it for you <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ). This is collected nicely in the very pretty and very expensive Imperial Armor 9&10 books.<br /> <br /> I'm actually doing something like this, and it's pretty simple:<br /> <br /> A huge number of entries have relatively analogous crossovers:<br /> -librarians/sorcerers<br /> -captains+ masters/lords<br /> -chaplains/apostles<br /> -termies/termies<br /> etc...<br /> <br /> <br /> If you plan ahead a little, you can easily make an army that plays as recent renegades (codex: marines) or older renegades (codex: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 04:48:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Traitor Space Marines/Chaos Intergration</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Basically, running it as a Blood Ravens libarian that turned to chaos, and then converted a bunch of fellow marines as well as some local workers and PDF Guard. The theme idea is more just how I build my army and justify what units I'll be using. Thoughts?<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2bb1276bddaf126a065a7b960d749ede.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492824/5046472.page"><b>spiralingcadaver wrote:</b></a><br/>I think the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> means recent traitors, in contrast with the original legionarries?<br /> <br /> The oldest (written) and most famous bit of later loyalists turning traitor is the Badab war, where one chapter eventually turned to wholly traitor, and a handful of others turned renegade but... (if you don't know the story, I won't ruin it for you <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ). This is collected nicely in the very pretty and very expensive Imperial Armor 9&10 books.<br /> <br /> I'm actually doing something like this, and it's pretty simple:<br /> <br /> A huge number of entries have relatively analogous crossovers:<br /> -librarians/sorcerers<br /> -captains+ masters/lords<br /> -chaplains/apostles<br /> -termies/termies<br /> etc...<br /> <br /> <br /> If you plan ahead a little, you can easily make an army that plays as recent renegades (codex: marines) or older renegades (codex: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, basically recent traitor force, using the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> rulebook for cultists and such.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 05:55:38]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Traitor Space Marines/Chaos Intergration</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Depending on how corrupted you want them to be, you could always play them as a standard C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> force.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:19:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Genosaurer]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Traitor Space Marines/Chaos Intergration</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c4fb99f14c5282651a3d69d25951546e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492824/5046620.page"><b>Genosaurer wrote:</b></a><br/>Depending on how corrupted you want them to be, you could always play them as a standard C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> force.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I already have a standard C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> force :(]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:01:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It should be noted that this is the fluff for the blood ravens in dawn of war 2 (or one of the extension, I can't remember). Basically, the librarian is possessed by a daemon and corrupts the entire chapter to rebel against the imperium.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:07:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Seb]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c37695104789bcfabb153e1c249d6291.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492824/5046895.page"><b>Seb wrote:</b></a><br/>It should be noted that this is the fluff for the blood ravens in dawn of war 2 (or one of the extension, I can't remember). Basically, the librarian is possessed by a daemon and corrupts the entire chapter to rebel against the imperium.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That's the background ahahahahaha.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 10:31:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ sYn]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If you want to use C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>, play them as Renegades. If they've already gone past the point of no return, then they're Traitors.<br /> The difference between Renegade and Traitor is a thin line, but the way I see it, Traitor Marines have dedicated themselves to Chaos and/or the Chaos Gods, while Renegades maintain a line of individuality and intependence from both Chaos and the Imperium.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>Tl</span>;dr: If they're spiky, Traitor. If they're misunderstood, Renegade.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:09:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The fall to chaos is progressive and fairly inevitable once started, but that doesn't mean it always happens overnight. <br /> <br /> Your force may be in it's beginning stages of damnation which means only its outlook has changed and functions otherwise as any chapter would.<br /> <br /> If they are further down the line perhaps mutations have sprung up, insanity and violence more prevalent, and equipment looking decidedly less imperial as they scavenge more since they've been cut off from the munitorum.<br /> <br /> If they've reached their apex then they will be indistinguishable from any other chaos forces. Perhaps they are fervent worshipers of one god (like the world eaters), the pantheon (iron warriors), or have no godly allegiance and wish only to sow terror and enhance their own power (night lords, red corsairs).<br /> <br /> The cool thing is that your force can be represented at any time during their fall and the loyalist codex obviously represents them better in the beginning while the chaos dex best at their final fall.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 5 Dec 2012 23:02:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ buddha]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/a1e06dcef115098d3fc5db11a966f657.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/492824/5048844.page"><b>buddha wrote:</b></a><br/>The fall to chaos is progressive and fairly inevitable once started, but that doesn't mean it always happens overnight. <br /> <br /> Your force may be in it's beginning stages of damnation which means only its outlook has changed and functions otherwise as any chapter would.<br /> <br /> If they are further down the line perhaps mutations have sprung up, insanity and violence more prevalent, and equipment looking decidedly less imperial as they scavenge more since they've been cut off from the munitorum.<br /> <br /> If they've reached their apex then they will be indistinguishable from any other chaos forces. Perhaps they are fervent worshipers of one god (like the world eaters), the pantheon (iron warriors), or have no godly allegiance and wish only to sow terror and enhance their own power (night lords, red corsairs).<br /> <br /> The cool thing is that your force can be represented at any time during their fall and the loyalist codex obviously represents them better in the beginning while the chaos dex best at their final fall.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm aiming for midway through the transition. hence i'll be kit bashing some <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> stuff, and also some using some converted <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> as cultists to represent corruption hitting the ranks. I'll also be running a unit of possessed to represent the corruption. As for colours, it'll be Blood ravens astartes colours with a few chaosy changes to represent them forsaking their chapter.]]></description>
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