<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
Dark Eldar 2000
Venom/Ravager Spam

HQ- Hamie
50pts

HQ- Hamie
50pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

T- Wracks
3x Wracks 40, Venom, Night Sheild 75pts
105pts

HS- Ravager, Flicker Field, Night Sheilds
125pts

HS- Ravager, Flicker Field, Night Sheilds
125pts

HS- Ravager, Flicker Field, Night Sheilds
125pts

HS- Ravager, Flicker Field, Night Sheilds
125pts

HS- Ravager, Flicker Field, Night Sheilds
125pts

HS- Ravager Night Sheilds
115pts

1995

11x Venoms
6x Ravagers

22x Splinter Cannons-132
18x Dark Lances-18]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071444.page GMT Re:2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
just pray that the mission isnt purge the alien or whatever that kill points one is called. best of luck! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071543.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071715.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
Opinionated wrote:
i think making a few of the troops 5x warriors with a blaster might be better. more splinters + blaster for some midrange pewpew. just gives you a bit more punch i feel.


I can drop the 5 flicker fields from the Ravagers that would give me 50pts it will cost 60 to upgrade 2x wrack squads to have blasters

The other option would be to drop 3x whole squad of wracks and the flickerfields this will give me enough for 2x squads of 4 trueborn with blasters in venoms so I'd lose a venom but gain 8 blasters

I just think running 17 vehicles in a 2k pts game is cool even if my scoring unit will die if some sneezes at them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5071766.page GMT Re:2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org ap 5 warriors are screwed unless their clinging to cover, while at least wracks have a higher toughness and start out with fnp.

Anyways though, I dont think warriors would really work with this list, unless you were going to use all warriors instead of wracks, since your goal is to stay out of range of your opponent and the warriors would have to be within 18'' to use the blaster, which wouldnt really be adding much AT wise anyways, and then you can kiss that unit goodbye next turn. Likewise with the blasterborn, although they pack a lot of AT, with the rest of your army in the back they would be easy pickin in their paper airplanes, however I would recommend getting 3×3 trueborn squads with 2 SC's in each, because they would go well with the rest of your army.

Also one last little sidenote, a small allied eldar force with a farseer with ruins of warding and doom really compliments any de army especially venom spam. it gives you some great psykic defense while allowing you to re-roll wounds against those tuff units. I used one in a game where I had a list similar to yours and was going against a combined drago wing and necron fying circus, and I was also skeptical about allied eldar until I put 57 wounds on one pallie squad thanks to doom. I know thats seems a little overkill, but all I ended up killing was draigo since he was up in front, but thats all I needed because then I insta-gibbed the rest of the squad with DL's once I got the tough guy out of the way! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5074432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5074432.page GMT Re:2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org IMO. Sure each individual unit isn't tough, but with 6 Ravagers and 11 scoring units you can afford to take losses and keep on going.

I thin you have the extreme redundency that allows you to ignore the psykic game altogether. There aren't really any powers out there that wil hurt large amounts of your army (a unit or two, sure, but who cares) so you don't really need the defense. I'm not sure bringing in a Farseer consultant will really be worth dropping 4-5 of your units for.

As far as weaknesses go? KPs will be bad, real bad. Odds are you may lose First Blood, and probably Warlord pts too, but I thinks its tolerable and really depends on first turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5075230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5075230.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5077924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5077924.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
I also agree with those suggesting warriors for your venoms. You could do something like this:

3 x Archon blaster 75 - 225
10 x 5 Warriors: blaster, venom 125 - 1250
5 x Ravager 105 - 525

Then you've got 28 dark light shots and potentially 200 poison shots a turn... Or you could s dark light in venoms:

2 x Archon: blaster 75 - 150
4 x 4 Trueborn: 4 blasters, venom 173 - 692
4 x 5 warriors: blaster, venom 125 - 500
6 x Ravager 105 - 630

That gives only 128 poison shots but 40 dark light shots which gives you good anti air fire as well as anti tank and heavy infantry. Low on scoring though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5079102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5079102.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
 FlingitNow wrote:
Why all the night shields? They're worthless in this edition now that rapid fire has changed and are you really wanting to be near melta range


Are you kidding me Night Sheilds are the bomb with pre mesuring now in. you can sit back in the 31" sweet spot and ruin everyones day]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5079272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5079272.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org AT fire has a 48" range?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080563.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
Pretty much anything with a Strength of 4 or higher can kill you if they have 24" range and mobility and once you lose a few venoms you start to rapidly lose your damage output potential and your toast. Thats why I don't run blaster warriors in venoms because I need to move closer to the enemy to hit them leaving me in range of everything.

If you don't need to run Night Sheilds in your Meta the people you play haven't caught on yet to the best way of killing Dark Eldar Paper Planes, or your play your Dark Eldar wrong]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080686.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
Also i like to try to crush a flank and avoid reprisals by killing everything that would be in range. Don't you find 18 dl shots leaves you low on AT and AA fire?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080732.page GMT 2000pts Venom/Ravager Spam Double Force Org
For flyers I've just been out-manourvering them and getting within there minium fly distance. We don't have a lot of flavor in the Anti-Air department unless we take our own flyers but then we limit our Alpha Strike potential so its a bit of a double edge sword. I did roll lucky on a mysterous objective in big gunz never tire and got the sky fire ability on my ravagers one game and smashed a few necron flyers it was just luck though and I may never get it again.

In saying that I may take a couple of blasterborn squads so if I do face a mech heavy list I can move a few squads in and deal with it.

As for the night sheilds on ravagers there is a lot than can still drop them, Chimera Spam, Eldar S6, necron destroyers and other Ravagers to name a few]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/494342/5080838.page GMT