<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Grey Knight Help"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Grey Knight Help MC's so if you could give me any advice on how to give him a run for his money then it would be much appreciated... Thanks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5112918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5112918.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5112931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5112931.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help hq and troops should I take and how do I kill hive guard if they're sitting out of los the whole game...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113142.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help

Purifiers are a very high damage unit, but they cost a lot per model (around 30 points or so, with equipment) However, they still die just as fast as any other Marine. They really need a transport so they can be protected for a few turn and move into a good position to deal massive damage.

Strike squads work far better as your MEQ on foot. You want more bodies in a foot list. Strike squads are not that much worse in the shooting phase than purifiers, but they are significantly cheaper. They will work very well to form the core of a foot list.

Also, you have much more freedom with your HQ choice. Crowe [required for purifier troops] is really bad in a foot list. You have a single model that is your Warlord and cannot join a unit. With one ML the enemy can easily get First Blood and Slay the Warlord. This means you need to hide a 150 pt character in reserves and then behind a building. (in a purifier mech list, there are some things you can do, but not in a foot list)



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So with strike squads as your troops, you need to then take other elements in your list to cover their weaknesses.

The biggest issue is range. 24" is not bad, but it not amazing. There are two ways to help with that. Longer range or Faster movement.

GK really realy on their vehicles for longer range shooting (mostly Razorbacks and Dreadnoughts), but if you are going for a foot list it is best to try and include no vehicles at all.


For fast units you have 3 options
Interceptors
Knights with Teleporters
Storm Ravens

Again if you want to go for a mass of bodies, footslogging list, then the Storm raven is out, though it can work with this type of list.

Interceptors (usually 10 of them with psybolt ammo and 2 psycannons) and Tele-Knights (teleporter and heavy Incinerator) are both good units to include.
Both of these units work very well with a Grand Master as your HQ choice. With Grand Strategy they can either be made scoring, or be given scout, both very powerful options for them.


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What you list might look like:

HQ
At low points probably an inquisitor with Terminator Armor, a Psycannons, and Psyker upgrade (divination lore signature spell is amazing)
At higher points you can include a Grand Master when you have more Interceptors and Knights to take advantage oof Grand Strategy

Troops
Strike squads. 10 dudes, 2 psycannons, Psybolt ammo. Maybe a Halberd on the Sarge for Chalaenges, Maybe a Hammer in the Squad for Damage
You want enough of theese units to form a solid scoring core for your list.

Fast
Interceptors 10 dudes, 2 psycannons, Psybolt ammo. Maybe a Halberd on the Sarge for Chalaenges, Maybe a Hammer in the Squad for Damage

Heavy
Knights Teleporter Incinerator


Your first list will probably be 600 points

Inquisitor with Terminator Armor, Psycannon and Psyker 110

Strike Squad 10 dudes, 2 Psycannons Psybolt Halberd Sarge 245,
Strike Squad 10 dudes, 2 Psycannons Psybolt Halberd Sarge 245,

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On your question about hive guard:

First off the Hive guard are poor at dealing damage to a foot list. With only a few shots and AP4 vs, 3+ saves, they are not a major threat to your list. Biovores are the bigger concern for foot units.
If you do feel that you need to take them out, then your interceptors can Shunt behind them and soot them. Your Knights can shunt near them, Flame any unit screening them, then assault in the following turn.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113411.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help gk foot list one of the more competetive ones out there in 6th or are there others? What is the best way to deal with MC spam? At say about 1500 points, what would my list look like?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113438.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help
GM: Sword, Psycannon, Rad grendes

strike squad, psybolt, 2x psycannons, hammer in unit (GM goes here)
strike squad, psybolt, 2x psycannons,

Interceptors, Psybolt, 2x Psycannons, Halberd on sarge

Knight, Teleporter Incinerator
Knight, Teleporter Incinerator

The alternative would be to run an Inquisitor, more Strike squads, and fewer knights.



So far, the 6th edition metagame is very volatile, so it is hard to say what is "BEST" at the moment. The most powerful tournaments lists at the moment have been Tzeench Daemons and Necron Air.

GK on Foot will DOMINATE daemons. If you have the first turn, you are very favored to win with warp quake turn 1. If you go second, you still have warp quake for later drops, and the firepower to shoot stuff dead.

GK on foot have an okay chance against necron air, but not great. You will not be able to kill all of their flyers. Take cover, hold objectives, go to ground and shoot back. Hopefully you have enough bodies to survive, and the necrons will not be able to push you off of any objectives easily.


Against MC spam, the above list should do pretty well. You have a lot of S7 rending firepower which will deal damage to MC's. Also, you have a lot of S5 firepower from your storm bolters. They will deal some damage as well, more than you might think. You can move and shoot at 24" so you can play keep away from the big scary monster very easily.

In combat, the GM will lower the MC's toughness to 5, then with HH from him and from the unit, you are hitting at S6 VS T5, or wounding on a 3+. Alternatively, you can cast Hammerhand once, and wound on a 4+ and activate force weapons for instant Death.

Knights have WS 5, S10 AP2 force weapons. Against Daemon MC's you can excommunicate their gifts, neutering their combat power.

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One of the best things about playing with GK, is that you never have to worry about changing your list.

GK models are GK models. If you decide you do not like your list, then you can easily change it without having to buy all new models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113518.page GMT Grey Knight Help
I'd also recommend trying out a few games and find out what you are weakest against. Personally I struggle against alot of shadow in the warp MC's and has made me get some drop pods and rune priests for a space wolf allies detatchment but that has problems and such too though nothing that is crippling as far as I can tell with proper positioning since they could cancel your own powers too.

While DK and foot lists are pretty good, I'm in a air power heavy meta so I almost never go out without some storm raven and aegis/quad gun or icaris lascannon support. I'm hoping to be able to add in some terminators once cyclone missles get an update and can shoot flakk. (here's hoping dark angels geta better codex upgrade)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5113537.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help

Inquisitor: Terminator Armor, Psycannon, Psyker


strike squad 10 dudes, psybolt, 2x psycannons, halberd sarge, hammer in unit

strike squad, 10 dudes psybolt, 2x psycannons, halberd sarge, hammer in unit

strike squad, 10 dudes psybolt, 2x psycannons, halberd sarge, hammer in unit


Interceptors 10 dudes, Psybolt, 2x Psycannons, Halberd on sarge

Knight, Teleporter Incinerator


Aegis Line with Icarus Lascannon.



With the re-roll to hit from the inquisitor and the gun and cover save from the Aegis line, this version is way better against flyers. It might just be the better version overall.

You trade scoring knights and interceptors for Cover, more bodies, more psycannons, and re-roll to hit in the shooting and assault phase.
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With this in mind I highly recommend a Grand Master as an HQ choice, his ability to make more units scoring as needed is invaluable.

I run with a 10man strike squad, 5 man termies, grand master, stormraven, dreadknight, purifiers, vindicare, psyfleman and interceptors as the base of my army, getting to turn almost any of those into scoring depending on the missing is a huge help.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5115424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5115424.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help
 svendrex wrote:
Strike squads are not that much worse in the shooting phase than purifiers


Point of order: 10 Purifiers with 4 Psycannon is only 40 points more than 10 Strikes with 2 Psycannon and Psybolts. It's really not enough to make much of a difference. You'd have to swap three squads of Purifiers for Strike Squads before you'd save enough points to buy even a minimum sized Strike squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5116125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5116125.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help str 5 shots as opposed to 40 more points and some 8 to 4 more str 7 hits is kind of a wash when you consider ATSKNF as well as using things like a 2+ cover save if so desired.

Personally I feel like they really do different roles now a days. I'd almost always leave strike squads with swords and psybolt but I'd almost never take psybolts for purifiers yet I get psycannons along with alot of halberds/hammers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5116324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5116324.page GMT Re:Grey Knight Help
 Kaldor wrote:
 svendrex wrote:
Strike squads are not that much worse in the shooting phase than purifiers


Point of order: 10 Purifiers with 4 Psycannon is only 40 points more than 10 Strikes with 2 Psycannon and Psybolts. It's really not enough to make much of a difference. You'd have to swap three squads of Purifiers for Strike Squads before you'd save enough points to buy even a minimum sized Strike squad.


Few things to think about:

1) People usually do not run their purifier units with nothing but 4 psycannons. Most people go for Halberds and a Hammer on a 10 man unit, putting the price at 295 instead of 280. Not a huge increase, but something to think about.

Or 4 purifier units is the same cost as 5 strike squads.


2) S5 is a very important value for Strength

S5 means you can glance AV11, which is probably the most common armor value in the game.
Rhinos and the like (2/3 of all vehicles you see right there), Ork and Necron Flyers, ect.

Against AV10 or T6, S5 deals 2 times the damage that S4 deals. (going from damage on a 6 to damage on a 5 or a 6, statistically twice as much)

S5 can wound T8 where S4 cannot.



3) Go to ground + Aegies line = Hard counter to flyers.

You get a 2+ cover save, and you loose nothing in the shooting phase against flyers. With a lot of S5 shots that can glance those flyers.


4) ATSKNF is kinda better than Fearless.

You can flee from a combat you are loosing (if you roll well) so that your shooting army can shoot the assaulting unit to pieces.
Purifiers never run, so they have to win combat, hence the need for better Nemesis weapon in the unit.

Your fleeing unit then auto-regroups and get free extra movement as well (9" instead of 6")

The only time ATSKNF is bad is if you are hugging the back board edge.


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Purifiers really shine in a MSU mech role.

Cleansing Flame is amazing in a MSU unit. the more small units you have, the more damage it will deal. Horde unit will loose a ton of models from the front, so they will have limited models able to swing back at you.

Also you can only shoot 2 psycannons out of a rhino, so 5 man purier units make a lot of sense in rhinos.

INT 6 halberds and cleansing flame means that even as small unit, if you are assaulted, you will put out some damage, maybe more than the enemy wants to take.

Lastly, crowe is just bad in a non-mech list. In a mech list, you can have him steal a transport, and be protected and possibly do something.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5116381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/496694/5116381.page GMT