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I'm currently debating on some warwalkers with either star cannons or scatter lasers.

I'm thinking the AP2 might also be better with the increase in terminators now a days and increase in damage from pen hits but then the scatter laser is 10 points cheaper and 4 shots. What's everyone else using now a days?

Also while I know of Dark eldar air power and some apoc choices, are there any viable eldar flyers now a days? I heard rumors of vector dancer Imperial aeronautica units but don't have the book for them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5122098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5122098.page GMT AP, just need volume of shots). The issue is that neither of these work particularly well, and you can't get them in large enough numbers to drop fliers without crippling your list due to their points cost (+ support). Serpents were slightly overpriced in 5th, and are now massively overpriced in 6th and Walkers are fragile and rely on having Guide (and unless you go overboard with psykers you can't Guide all of them). Even if you do all that it STILL doesn't really guarantee you will do ok against fliers, Guided S6 deals with AV10 and AV11 fliers ok, but the best fliers (BA Stormravens, Vendettas) are AV12 and there is no way you are going to generate enough S6 shooting to drop them reliably.

What I have been doing instead is to build lists which are either so mobile that they can largely dodge fliers (move under them/behind them etc) and avoid being shot by them more than once or twice a game, or building lists which have enough of a ground presence that they can restrict the movement of fliers and be durable/numerous enough to have stuff left at the end of the game to grab objectives. In practical terms this either means a completely mech force (including any allies) with no backfield elements for fliers to pick off or a more infantry based list with a reasonable number of Guardians (or Guard infantry if you use allies).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5122132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5122132.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132176.page GMT well with footdar. You can find the rules for it alongside other awesomeness in IA11. IIRC there was a battle report here with 6 flier eldar and mech guard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132362.page GMT str 6 can work ie spiders or walkers, as a target of opportunity though I wouldn't dedicate such a useful unit to anti flyer duties only]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132501.page GMT AV 10 all around from the apoc book. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132602.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497278/5132740.page GMT