Lucre wrote:
What are the bionic options like?

I always assumed they would have the whackiest and most diverse vehicle options on things like the predator dread and the razorback because of their love of tinkering and close ties to mechanicus.

Is fearless a fair trade for KNF and CT? I'm not sure.

I'm also pretty sure that Neophytes don't lose their hand and start being augmented until they become Initiates in the chapter.

 mayfist wrote:
Loving the idea.
Sadly enough, I know next to nothing about the iron hands, afraid I can't help.

I will give you a shout if I see anything OT, looking forward to seeing how this turns out !

 Lucre wrote:
The Iron Hands are compulsively driven to replace their own biological flesh with cybernetic replacements, a practise that begins as soon as a Neophyte is initiated into the Chapter. The Initiate's left hand is surgically removed and replaced with a Bionic prosthesis

I guess I tend to take that to mean after the transition to initiate from neophyte.

I'll look at the new content later!


Edit:
When i was thinking about making this fanbook in 5th, I was considering the bionics bonus giving a couple debuffs but providing a permanent 6++ and 6+ FNP. I was also toying with the idea of giving them a limited ability to over exert themselves once per game to get a temporary boon like relentless for a turn or nightvision for a turn or a re roll on something movementy.

I figured having an upgraded version of bionics or special characters/wargear would give normal FNP and maybe add more uses per game or new ways of spending the overdriven powers.

In 5th I thought that a hurricane bolter razorback would be a hilariously fun idea. Was also considering finding a way to have more access to cyclone missile launchers grenade launchers and maybe multilasers.

I was thinking about a FA choice that might be scoring (or maybe an unlock to be scoring) that always came in a rhino and could choose between SM Shotguns / BPCCW / Bolter and got 2 special weapon options instead of the normal 1 heavy and one special in tacticals. Maybe scout move too.

A special character that was so good with his double power fists he hits at initiative 3 with them.

camacho wrote:
I believe that the iron hands need to be given some love! haha ^^ just had to sign up to help a bit

Some ideas and thoughts I was considering (sorry if these ideas were already mentioned previously, too lazy to read through, i should be studying for my exams for medicine ^^)

1. Tac Marines being able to wield 2 Bolters as suggested by the artwork of Jon Sullivan in the Wrath of Iron Novel. I guess that it is because of their bionic left hand,that they are able to do this?

2. I believe their terminators are rare so make them more expensive? I also read in the lexicanum that Tactical Squad sergeants are able wear terminator armor to provide inspirational value

3. They need to have veterans, which are the survivors of Istvaan massacre, these would be elite choices having a type of Veterans of the Long War special rule giving Hatred to Chaos Space Marines

"The Iron Hands bear a grudge against all the participants of the Heresy: the traitors, for being weak enough to become corrupted, and the other loyalists, for not being strong enough to protect the Emperor."

This may also mean that they can't be battle brothers with other Space Marines :p

but I see this as a problem of having veterans "Each Clan Company is an independent entity, responsible for its own recruitment and, as such, there are no dedicated Scout or Veteran Companies".

4. "Some battle brothers are rumored to be wholly mechanical..." it would be interesting to see a unit of these... i'd imagine they have fnp and maybe that rule of the Servitors "Mindlock" when a techmarine or iron father, etc is not nearby

5. I looked at the google docs file... I think those bionic upgrades would have to be expensive if it's going to be conferred to the entire unit

6. Basic implants for regular tactical units, advance implant only for sergeants and terminators

Sorry that my ideas are a mess and not presented well, I'm pressed for time and just saw this and got excited! Anyway, back to my studies! Will read up more on Iron Hands fluff after my exams! good luck to this and I hope it gets recognized and gets the stamp! (I believe GW should release mini codices :p)

 Toban wrote:
The 2 cents of a very IH lover.

- Iron Hands are the typical communion between the fearless, unstoppable, freaking-uber-future-warrior and the blind, stupid, old and predictable tactical rigidity tipical of ancient Roman armies like. Their strong, resilient and sturdy but they absolutely aren't flexible.
- They really do know just one combat tactic and developed every single element of their army in this sense. You know.. just like Testudo/Moenia/Cuneum and Orbiter methods. If something will pass through those lines well.. there will be others Testudo/Moenia/Cuneum and Orbiter..
- Their obsession for bionics is, of course, their "secret weapon" and their failure. This must be represented in their profile.
- Their BG is pretty clear regarding little but important thing that will eventually give a clear shape at the FOC. I mean of course things like Dreads as HQ, Teminators special characters that HAS to be added to units for Fearless special rule (eventually considering to force a number for this characters, no less than 2, not more than 6, and to link them to the equivalent of Tactical sq. where the only alternative troop could be neophytes -similar to SW scouts- that couldn't be leaded by TDA sergeants and thereby wouldn't have the Fearless special rule).
- I do imagine a typical IH marine, not a neophyte but really the average marine, as the perfect short-to-medium range soldier. I do imagine him being enhanced with shooting upgrades, Acute Senses, one-use-only special ammunitions, Target Lockers, one per battle unit-smoke-launchers (+1 for cover saves ie), a unit-searchlight...
- In the same time I do however see them as slower than a regular Marine, more resilients of course, but slower. I don't think givin' them FNP so easily could be considered a wise choice. At a sort of Command Sq./Bodyguard/Honorguard ok but certainly not to Tactical Marines equivalent. Consider to give them T5, no FNP and a reduced I. I would add even no more than 1x CC attacks each.


So, resuming:
HQ - Dreads of different kind, some sort of Masters of Ordinance (shoot pro) and some sort of Masters of Attrition (CC and Siege Weapons) + why not the possibility to build up a personal Dreadnought with all the options available but obviously pricy. No particular special rules or combat tactics like things.
HQ - A sort of Librarian, a sort of Reanimation protocol psychic power (not making it to over powered eh..) + a secondary power similar to Null Zone where however the enemy will must reroll every favorable to hit by shooting with a -1 applied vs him and his unit. Something that will interference with enemy weapons.
HQ - A sort of Dread Chappy. Not particular strong by his own but a very force-multiplier character. Free Preferred enemy/Furious Charge at a friendly unit (like the Swarmlord) each turn and all-time for him. Lone or Attached.
Secondary HQ - I will consider a sort of Command sq leaded by a Mechanicum Techpriest (a regular T4, 4+) and 4 servitors/veterans mix. T5, Sternguards upgrades like, FNP available as upgrade on the Techpriest. I will eventually consider for them Slow and Purposeful. OF course BS4 and 3+.
ELITES - A sort of BS3 weaker Dradnoughts, something between Sentinels and Warwalkers.
ELITES - Power Armoured CC specialist, I'm thinking at Crusaders/Death Cult Assassins. Not strong as Terminators but better than Tactical Marines in CC. 25-30 pts each is a correct price to me.
ELITES - A swarm like mini-robots SCOUT unit. Necrons I'm thinking of you !!
TR - minimum 2 / maximum 6 TDA characters (I would take Wolf Guards upgrade prices). They would have to be assigned to Tactical Marines (forcing so a minimum of 2 to a max of 6 units).
TR - Tactical Marines - T5 - I3 - 1x base attack - Acute Senses - unit smoke launcher (+1 cover one-use-only). 2 max 12" assault weapons + 1x rapid fire OR heavy weapon, usual upgrade prices. NO FNP, pricier than Tactical Marines but slightly cheaper than Plague Marines. (access to a Chimera, Rhino and Razorback and 12 places drop pods like transport). Possibility to Combat sq.
TR - Neophytes. Really something like SW scouts without the scout ability. Teams from 5 to 20. 1 special weapon (flamer/melta/plasma) after 5 and 15 models. Team leader with acces to combi-weapons, CC weapons, bla bla bla.. (acces to Chimera, Rhino and Razorback and 12 places drop pods like transports). Possibility to Combat sq. in two 10x models teams.
FA - A Baal Pred./Warbuggy sort of automatic skimmer vehicle (max movement 18"). One base weapon similar to 1 single hurricane bolter + different sponson options between TL MM, TL HF, TML, TL Plasmacannon (!!). 11-10-10, 2 Hull pts, Jink save. Turbo. 80 pts average price starting from 60 more or less.
FA - don't know what else..
FA - don't know what else..
HV - Land Raiders - Vindicators - Predators - Whirlwind (eventually including the plasma upgrades from forgeworld) + a MONOLITH like monstruosity armed with a Quad-Gun and 4 HB/HF/MM/PC/LC gun emplacements. A sort of moving Imperial Bastion (max 6" per turn). For him, I'm deaming about a 20x infantry places inside, Assault Vehicle, 3 if not 4 HP. Obnviously it would has to be at least 300 pts, or something along those lines.
HV - A devastators/Obliterators/Jokaeros like unit. A sort of PA Obliterators, in team of 4 + leader.
HV - a repairing vehicle that will generate robots from rubbles and wrecks. Friendly or not. MC, ST5, T6 with 3 wounds. Magna-grapple, DCCW. AC3, BS3, 3+.

No bikes of fast things moving on the table.. a LOT of bodies. HEAVY, SLOW MOVING, well equipped vehicles. One 80% shooty weapons Army.

Really a mix between Sororitas, Necrons and Vanillas. Religion, Iron and Flesh.

Regarding Flyers I really have no Idea.