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				<description><![CDATA[ So I'm toying with a custom Elite squad for my Iron Hands codex, and I want them to have shotguns and a combat shield bit going on.<br /> <br /> I'm messing with the idea for a "Bolter Shotgun" called the Tempest Bolter (based after the Tempest Bolts sometimes used in normal Bolters), however I'm unsure where to even begin on the statistics. I was going to just use normal Shotguns but my Emperor, they're so horrible to waste an Elite squad using.<br /> <br /> This is my preliminary concept:<br /> <br /> 12" Range, 4 Strength, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> 6, Assault 4]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:08:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Shadowclaimer]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Tempest Bolters? (Bolter Shotguns)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'd maybe just give them the option to fire their weapon as either an Astares Shotgun (R12" S4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> - Assault 2) or as a regular Bolter.  Assault 4 is a bit much, given that within 12" they are twice as effective at shooting as normal marines.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:23:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Tempest Bolters? (Bolter Shotguns)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501079/5184508.page"><b>RegalPhantom wrote:</b></a><br/>I'd maybe just give them the option to fire their weapon as either an Astares Shotgun (R12" S4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> - Assault 2) or as a regular Bolter.  Assault 4 is a bit much, given that within 12" they are twice as effective at shooting as normal marines.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The only issue is that the Astartes Shotgun is directly worse than a Storm Bolter isn't it? ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:33:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Shadowclaimer]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c75b1edaa0e310a35f839ecb69f4b722.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501079/5183823.page"><b>Shadowclaimer wrote:</b></a><br/>So I'm toying with a custom Elite squad for my Iron Hands codex, and I want them to have shotguns and a combat shield bit going on.<br /> <br /> I'm messing with the idea for a "Bolter Shotgun" called the Tempest Bolter (based after the Tempest Bolts sometimes used in normal Bolters), however I'm unsure where to even begin on the statistics. I was going to just use normal Shotguns but my Emperor, they're so horrible to waste an Elite squad using.<br /> <br /> This is my preliminary concept:<br /> <br /> 12" Range, 4 Strength, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> 6, Assault 4</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> call them stats, not statistics.<br /> <br /> ra12" S4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span>- Assault 3 would work - it'd be like a better scout shotgun. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c75b1edaa0e310a35f839ecb69f4b722.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501079/5186042.page"><b>Shadowclaimer wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/501079/5184508.page"><b>RegalPhantom wrote:</b></a><br/>I'd maybe just give them the option to fire their weapon as either an Astares Shotgun (R12" S4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> - Assault 2) or as a regular Bolter.  Assault 4 is a bit much, given that within 12" they are twice as effective at shooting as normal marines.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The only issue is that the Astartes Shotgun is directly worse than a Storm Bolter isn't it? </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> that already was worse than a storm bolter I suppose. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:54:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Scipio Africanus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stats" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stats</a><br /> <br /> I just want something a little better than the typical scout shotty but that could potentially be swapped for a Storm Bolter for equal or more points.<br /> <br /> So yea the Assault 3 would work.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:32:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Shadowclaimer]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I said call them stats. It isn't right and wrong semantics, it's so you can be understood better. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:35:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Scipio Africanus]]></author>
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