lizardwolf19 wrote:
This is my first attempt at a Black Templar list.

I'm not going for the uber competitive "2 CML termie squad, typhoon speeder", I want to hit peoples' faces in with angry marines.

Yeah, everyone is in the same boat, and every time you push the boat out to sea it sinks. There is no such thing as a BT competitive list without the CML squad or the Typhoon speeder. Hell I'd say that BT aren't even capable of making competitive lists anymore, and if they are they can be done better by another Codex 99% of the time.

I'm not opposed to adding in missile launchers and whatnot, but I want to keep my army assault oriented.

Good luck with that pal. Each and every single one of our potential assault units is overpriced or outmatched by alternatives and other Codex's. The only thing thats even decent is our TH/SS, but they're practically identical to that of C:SM.

Anyway, here goes:

HQ:

Emp. Champ. - AAC 140

Read the small print on AAC: you need to charge when you are in charge range. This is severely going to hamper your drop pod squads when they are forced to charge a unit that suddenly comes within 12'' range.

MoS - Artificer Armor, Lightning Claw, Powerfist, Jump Pack, Termie Honors - 215
Reclusiarch - Artificer Armor, Lightning Claw, Jump Pack, Termie Honors - 175

A huge waste of points here, buffing units that are overpriced and mediocre with or without them, while losing 215/175 points worth of a model lies on a razor's edge of a 50:50 save if a battlecannon blinks at them.


TR:

Crusader Squad - 5 initiates, plasma gun, Multimelta, Drop Pod - 126
Crusader Squad - 5 initiates, plasma gun, Multimelta, Drop Pod - 126
Crusader Squad - 5 initiates, plasma gun, Multimelta, Drop Pod - 126

These guys are going to get killed easily when they appear, and at the same time they'll be scarcely a threat and lack the firepower to do anything. 3 bolters and a Plasmagun is going to do diddly squat the turn you arrive, and your opponent will return fire viciously to get rid of the MM, which even if it does fire is liable to fail. They're also unreliable as objective holders as they are so weak and rely on deepstrike accuracy, footslogging to the position they do scatter, and trying to stay still to fire the MM all at the same time.

Crusader Squad - 10 initiates, power maul, flamer, BP/CCWs, 3 neophytes (BP/CCW) - 206
Transport - LRC - 265

The unit is a mediocre CC squad that costs 6 points more than 5 TH/SS Termies while being nowhere as good. This is a quarter of your points, invested into a strong box with pea shooters and a hilariously bad CC unit.

FA:

Assault Squad - 10 Initiates, flamer, power maul
Assault Squad - 10 Initiates, flamer, power maul

They're 241 points a squad. That is, simply put, ridiculous for a squad that has no invulnerable, isn't any CC threat at all to anything short of poorly placed bog standard infantry, and is nowhere near as good as most 200+ CC squads. You can have 12 Terminators for the price of these guys, or a pair of Termie Squads with a single CML and Tank Hunters. Assault Marines in general are poor, BT Assault Marines are even worse as they cost 4 points more than those in other Codex's.

So the EC goes in the LRC, and the two chaplains go with the Assault squads. Hopefully, with a landraider and 2 drop pods coming in turn one, my assault squads will have enough cover and distraction to make it to something they can charge. Each assault squad will put out 57 attacks on the charge, with re-rolls to hit.

57 S4 attacks roughly translates to about 30 something hits, and 17 or so wounds on most squads, which is what, 3-5 dead MEQ? for a pair of Deathstar price units that is laughable.

So... will it work?

Your army is split up into 4 easy killable elements, all of which are scarcely threatening and rely on a specific circumstance or a lot of luck to function even remotely. So unfortunately not.

C&C please!

Thanks!