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I play GKs, and frequently take Eldar allies (b/c Runes of Warding is awesome in this new edition of psychic powers).

I'm wondering whether it might be worth it to replace my Termies with a Harlequin Troupe. This is my cool assault squad (I'm mostly shooty), so I'll compare Assaults. Obviously the Termies are much better shooters (5 StormBolt + psycannon is better than pistols).

Here's the model comparison:

290 pts, 6 Termies 2 NDH
2 NFS
1 NFH
1 Brotherhood Banner
1 Psycannon

286pts, 10 Harlequins
1 Shadowseer
1 Troupmaster
All with Kisses
2 fusion guns

Better WS on the Harlequins, Better Str on the Termies (HH, NDH)
5++, Stealth/Shroud Harlequins, 2+/5++ Termies
All rending on the Harlequins, Some AP2 on Termies
Better Int on Harlequins, More Attks with Termies (Banner)

I calculated Attacks for each unit on the charge, against WS4 T4 opponents (ie. Marines). Assume target unit not in cover.

Here's my results:
Harlequins get 22 hits, 10.333333 wounds (1.72222 of which Rends). Let's say 2 invulns, 8 armour. All at I6, Str 4 (Furious Charge)
Termies get 8 AP3, I6/4 hits, 5.33333 wounds. Then get 4 AP2, I1, 3.333333 wounds. So, 5 AP3 wounds, 3 AP2 wounds.

Termies do better at killing Power Armour, and a teensy better against AP2. But Harlequins cause a couple more wounds.

Harlequins are more survivable, since they will have a 4+ cover always, and 2+ in any terrain.

Harlequins have H&R, which means you can shoot at the people they were just assaulting.

Against Vehicles:
Harlequins have two melta, but it's 6" (so half that is practically nothing). If Harlequins destroy transport with melta and charge troops, they will strike at I1, since they'll have to charge into cover.
Termies have Psycannon and two hammers. But if the Psycannon doesn't kill the vehicle (good chance it won't), the Termies won't get to assault the troops inside (since the hammers will be hitting the crap out of that transport).


Soooooo thoughts?

Edit: One more important consideration. Termies are Troops, Harlequins are Elites. So the Termies can always claim, and the Harlequins never.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5266648.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5266648.page GMT Re:GK Termies vs Harlequins http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5266676.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5266676.page GMT GK Termies vs Harlequins http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5266756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5266756.page GMT Re:GK Termies vs Harlequins
P49 in the eldar codex and P62 in the hardback BRB]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5267308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5267308.page GMT GK Termies vs Harlequins
Elric Greywolf wrote:

I play GKs, and frequently take Eldar allies (b/c Runes of Warding is awesome in this new edition of psychic powers).



The runes of warding are great, but they will affect all of the powers that your GK units will use in your allied list.


Personally, I feel that Gk and Eldar are not really great as allies. I think that sticking to once force or the other would be a better list overall.


If you have a GK list, then you might be able to use Henchmen in place of most eldar units you could add. The only unique thing the Eldar have going for them is their Runes of Warding with do not affect your GK favorably.

If you have an Eldar list, you will want to run a farseer with runes of warding. This means any GK allies you include will not be as cost effective without the ability to get cheap divination powers or Hammerhand for combat buffs.


With that in mind, I would try to stick to one codex or the other. Termies are great in GK lists. Harlies are great in Eldar lists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5267342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5267342.page GMT GK Termies vs Harlequins
 svendrex wrote:
Elric Greywolf wrote:

I play GKs, and frequently take Eldar allies (b/c Runes of Warding is awesome in this new edition of psychic powers).


The runes of warding are great, but they will affect all of the powers that your GK units will use in your allied list.


Wow.

Eldar FAQ says Warding effects all "enemy" psykers. Allies of Convenience are treated as "enemies." Totally missed that one. Well, at least my opponents did, too
Guess that cool idea is out, then.

And I was such a fan :-/ Farseer on Quad-gun with Pathies behind ADL, gettin' 2+ cover and always twin-linked.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5267523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/506405/5267523.page GMT