<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "New chaos units any good?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net New chaos units any good? from what I have heard the new WoC book isnt worth getting and I would rather not buy it seeing as I bought the old one about a week or so before they announced the new edition.
My question however is are the new units worth fitting into my army list (currently being re-written). I like the look of the dragon ogres and the Slaughterbrute looks cool towering over infantry. Are they worth thinking about or should I disregard them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5278134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5278134.page GMT New chaos units any good?
Dragon Ogres are much as they always have been - very large mean models that can hit hard and get to the enemy fast, but attract a lot of enemy fire without the benefit of the Skullcrushers' 1+ save.

Skullcrushers are also amazing. Knights on Juggers are amazing. Got nerfed a bit from the WD insert. Needed it badly, but are still amazing.

Chimera is a murder machine - 6+d3 attacks + thunderstomp, can be ugraded with fire breath, regeneration, and poisoned attacks. Pricey but honestly half the cost of the Slaughterbrute for a potentially more survivable, maneuverable, nastier monster.

Daemon Prince is also basically a new model compared to what they did before. MUCH more usable now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5278406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5278406.page GMT New chaos units any good?
The Slaughterbrute is ok, but it depends on your list as whether you can fit it in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5278975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5278975.page GMT New chaos units any good? WS and Ld, but for only four attacks. I can get almost the same amount of killing power out of a single MoK halberd warrior against most targets. When I can get a whole unit for the cost of one Slaughterbrute... yeah. I dunno.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5279737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5279737.page GMT Re:New chaos units any good? I find the brute appealing, but I guess monsters aren't supposed to win?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5283072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5283072.page GMT New chaos units any good? WS. Thunderstomp is also there, to be fair.

But compared to the 20+ S5 attacks at still-pretty-high WS and a lot more wounds to chew through... I dunno.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5283088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5283088.page GMT New chaos units any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5284435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5284435.page GMT New chaos units any good? LD. So if they ever lose combat they can be rundown. But if they're losing combat, you probably messed up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5284510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5284510.page GMT Re:New chaos units any good? However the GW store was ok about me trading it in, since the new one costs more anyway.

As for the book - well, it certainly gives more options on how to run your list than the old one, so if you want to change the way your army works, pick it up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5285872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5285872.page GMT New chaos units any good? GW terrain in the book I see tons of buildings and barricades. That would make cannons difficult to use, and I wish my local group made our boards less like 7th edition fantasy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5291380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5291380.page GMT New chaos units any good?
Spellbound wrote:
I think my local meta has a terrain problem. My monsters die in droves to cannons. When I look at the GW terrain in the book I see tons of buildings and barricades. That would make cannons difficult to use, and I wish my local group made our boards less like 7th edition fantasy.


Monsters always just get minced by cannons not a lot you can do. If you take loads of terrain then the board gets cluttered and moving the large units will become impossible. The only effective way ive seen is to take skirishers and scouts to kill the cannon]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5293628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5293628.page GMT New chaos units any good?
Some of that's luck though, as my opponents will not - WILL NOT stop rolling a "6" for how many wounds they do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5294062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5294062.page GMT New chaos units any good?
Heck, I even shot war machines with my Doom Divers. It works ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5294131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5294131.page GMT New chaos units any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5294511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5294511.page GMT New chaos units any good?
Then with your 4 monsters you still have to hope that his 300 points of cannons or stone throwers are unlucky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295488.page GMT New chaos units any good? GW decided to drastically nerf monsters in such a way - they always were something cool to have on the field, be it only for the visual aspect.

That's how 8th works, however :/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295633.page GMT Re:New chaos units any good? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295671.page GMT New chaos units any good?
It's not that they do incredible dmg, they often don't, but they are usually T6 and W6 with some armor (at least 8th monsters), terror, etc. So rank-and-file troops have almost no chance of hurting them. If they get stuck in, they can grind down pretty decent troops with not a lot of fear. The monsters that are killy, like arachnarok spider, the VC screamy dragon, chimera, can put out a gigantic amount of wounds.

250 pts is like 40 swordsman. If they get hit by the AE war machines like stone throwers or warp cannons, fire breath etc, they're going to lose a tremendous amount of points too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295680.page GMT New chaos units any good? GW could not trust their 12-year old customers to use any "skill" in a game and thus made it purely luck-based, thus granting war machines a lot more precision.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5295693.page GMT New chaos units any good?
And I do agree though, about how deadly they can be. My group got into the discussion the other day about why they're pointed the way they are. A 230 point monster does easily to a cannon and crossbows, but then you put that monster against a combat army like chaos and they just run rampant, crushing warriors and chosen and not caring much about the return attacks. Those attacks are strong enough to bring them down, but not before considerable damage being sustained.

So it's hard to point them accurately. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5296447.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5296447.page GMT New chaos units any good?
 Sigvatr wrote:
The thing is that 8th changed war machine to be fully luck-based. They used to miss more often in 7th since you had to guess ranges, but GW could not trust their 12-year old customers to use any "skill" in a game and thus made it purely luck-based, thus granting war machines a lot more precision.


Not really, if you put any effort at all into learning how to guess distances accuratly you could achieve an almost 80%+ accuracy with your warmachines in 7th.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5297180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5297180.page GMT Re:New chaos units any good?
If you take loads of terrain then the board gets cluttered

I guess that's why the BRB has d6+4 i.e. 5 to 10 terrain pieces on the board - you may want to scale that if you are smaller than 8' X 4', but that really is a lot of terrain - surely this will give you something to advance behind. Yeah I know it is hard. Maybe that is the value of anything fast moving (if only it didn't run agroud against giant infantry units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5299158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5299158.page GMT New chaos units any good? Edited by Mannahnin]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5299909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5299909.page GMT New chaos units any good?
 Grey Templar wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
The thing is that 8th changed war machine to be fully luck-based. They used to miss more often in 7th since you had to guess ranges, but GW could not trust their 12-year old customers to use any "skill" in a game and thus made it purely luck-based, thus granting war machines a lot more precision.


Not really, if you put any effort at all into learning how to guess distances accuratly you could achieve an almost 80%+ accuracy with your warmachines in 7th.


And that took skill compared to rolling dice - which hopefully does not take skill ;D]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5299940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5299940.page GMT Re:New chaos units any good? IMO than learning to guess ranges. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5300011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5300011.page GMT New chaos units any good?
But not being told them.

"Put your shot 8" away from the center of your target, that way your odds are you'll hit it."

Done. Now I will hit almost every time, especially with all the rerolling options there are.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5300929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5300929.page GMT New chaos units any good? Took down a stegadon with a group of 18, only lost 2 thnx to those ward saves

As for this topic, Dragon ogres with great weapons. Sweet, but weak against numbers.

Mutalith fielded it once, got shot down at first turn xD didnt expect to meet dwarves that day

Charriots - i love them! and the gorebeast charriot *drool*
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 Sigvatr wrote:
The thing is that 8th changed war machine to be fully luck-based. They used to miss more often in 7th since you had to guess ranges, but GW could not trust their 12-year old customers to use any "skill" in a game and thus made it purely luck-based, thus granting war machines a lot more precision.

That's nonsense. Basically everyone cheated. Because past the age of 5 you get a pretty good understanding of distances. My shoe is about 12 inches. I've seen my shoes at least ten thousand times in my life. I know what half my shoe looks like. So it basically became a directive to not be human. Pretend you don't know what distances are and make a game out of it. It's silly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5302330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/507188/5302330.page GMT