<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Something I've been wondering about Horus"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Something I've been wondering about Horus HH books but one thing that's really bothered me is Horus' choice of how he'd start his rebellion.
So with the total trust of the Emperor and command of the Imperial military, he trucks off to some politically insignificant planet and blows it up, along with everyone in 4 legions who would have supported the Emperor in the event of an insurrection (most of them anyway).
Then he hunkers down on a planet in the same system and waits for Imperial justice. Then he trusts the 4 legions of the second wave of imperial attackers enough that they form an integral part of his battle plan and not one man in those four legions warns the other three legions about what the second wave is up to. Thus, the Dropsite Massacre goes down like clockwork.
Then Horus and company start trekking all the way to Terra, relying on the masses to give him popular support the whole way. Right?

So if his plan was to throw down the Emperor, why didn't Horus start his rebellion by killing the Emperor? He was organized enough to accurately predict who would support him without his rank-and-file getting smart enough to warn anyone before the Heresy began.
If I was Horus I'd take the Sons of Horus, and the Death Guard, Emperor's Children and World Eaters put down the rebellion on Isstvan, then leave the loyalists within those four legions behind on Isstvan to "garrison" it. Then I'd return to Terra, saying "I want to start a new campaign. I'm rallying the legions at Terra" or "I wanna have a ceremony parade to show the unity of the legions under my new command to show that this warmaster system works" or "this is an emergency, something's wrong with my men's genes. I need the Emperor to take a look at them and tell me what it is." In any case, with the Emperor's full trust, I'd get myself close to him, get him in private and Angron and I would kill him while my legions occupy Terra. Then I'd either blame one of the Imperium's many enemies for the Emperor's death (if it was possible to) or say "yeah, i did it." In either case, I'd explain that I was second in command and the natural heir to the Emperor, adding that due to its size and the importance of the military, the Imperium should be led by the Warmaster, adding that the Emperor had grown lax by retreating to Terra and relying on his Warmaster to keep the peace.
Then I'd start using my influence to sway worlds to worship chaos.

So is there a really good reason why Horus couldn't knock off the Emperor before beginning his rebellion? Is there some little-known edict in the HH books that makes the above scenario impossible? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5329489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5329489.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus
But really, because Horus didn't want to win by sucker punch. He wanted to dominate. And carve his way to the top dog.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5329528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5329528.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus


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 pretre wrote:
Because that would have made for a very short story?


This. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330387.page GMT Re:Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330640.page GMT Re:Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330673.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330754.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330781.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
If he would have killed the Emperor at the start they wouldnt have had a common goal. The only reason the traitor legions worked together was to end the rule of the Emperor. This way if Horus had won there would be 9 legions remaining, with the real possibility of infighting remaining. Killing him at the start would risk triggering a 18 legion free for all. Grudges to settle (iron warrior/imperial fists, word bearers/ultramarines), switching of loyalties (the regret of Cruze, Alpha legion). The way he did it made it possible to eliminate his obvious enemies first and then dealing with the others instead of risking a much more fractured civil war.


This ^

Also, for all of Horus' faults he still had some honor, at one point both he and the Emperor agree to stop using assassins against eachother. I think he wanted to win by domination, and not some underhanded coup. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5330852.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus
He spends years, decades, raiding and striking, building his forces, harassing the Imperium, stockpiling weapons and resources, raising support, turning others to his cause.

If he'd faced the Emperor in person, then, he'd have been killed in an instant. It was only when the Emperor tried to redeem him, left his guard down AND Horus was imbued with the power of all four Chaos gods, having wasted most of the lives of his legions and the entire rebellion to get to the Emperor's Palace, that he mortally wounded him.

And, of course, pride on all counts. Everyone knew that Horus didn't want to win or lose in a distant arm of the galaxy.

As Dorn himself was told, "this is where it will all be settled, on Terra.".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5332546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5332546.page GMT Re:Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5333116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5333116.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5334380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5334380.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5336996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5336996.page GMT Something I've been wondering about Horus http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5338534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/510342/5338534.page GMT