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Ok so I used to be very into the hobby, had a bit of a hiatus for a few years and now want to get back into it, speciffically with WoC.

Whats the cheapest and best way to get an army started?
Currently I was thinking of buying two battalion boxes, and the plastic sorcerer and lord.
As I'm in Australia, things arent as cheap as I'd hope, so if you can suggest specific sites/stores that would be even better!

PS I also need to buy a hobby starter set or something similar, as i need to get the paints, tools and basing materials, so suggestions on that would be awesome!

thanks guys I really appreciate the advice!

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5346251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5346251.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349424.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army http://www.dicebucket.com/servlet/StoreFront to get Warhammer on the 'cheap'. Only bought a couple of things and that was for 40k, but I've got no complaints.

Can't really help you on purchases 'cause I'm kinda new to Fantasy myself, and don't have the new book cause I only bought the old one like 6 months ago. Sigh. But I do know people are hating on marauders (personally I just hate em cause they're butt ugly) so I don't know if the battalions are the greatest bang for your buck. Warriors are the shizz, naturally, as are sorcerers I believe. I also love knights, but I think people are running chariots these days...

I hope this helped, and someone with a little more knowledge can come and straighten things out

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everywhere ive seen said to just bulk em up and use them as meatsheilds or to deal with unimportant units.

and yeah ive had a look at dicebucket, will buy some things from them soon if i cant find anything on the forum here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349486.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army compared to what they used to be. But they were crazy cheap back then. So long as you don't upgrade them too much I'm sure they'll do great, and for $62 what does it matter?!

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I havent got the book yet, so i havent been able to look at the forces just yet. was hoping to get a pdf just to see what their army is like, but dont know where to look so ill have to wait for a hardcopy one.

and yeah! i was pretty happy with it! i might be gettting the 2010 gamesday sorcerer aswell. its a very nice minature too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349545.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army GW has caught on and really started cracking down on that. Though if you do find a copy pm me the link ay

I think with WoC you can really afford to go out and buy what you like, because most of our units are dead hard anyway. A core of warriors/charoits/marauders (whatever you like most), sorcerer and hero with your battle standard, and pretty much splurge on whatever else seems cool to you. I've heard those Razorgore chariot-things are beastly, so I might get some of those eventually. But its all up to taste]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5349649.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army WoC army!

And Archaon... not that i will ever have an army big enough to use him (or at least not anytime soon) but i still think he is just awesome! and his model is just sick!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5350048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5350048.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army - lvl 4 Chaos Sorcerer, Nurgle / Metal
- "unkillable" Lord on disc

Heroes:
- BSB

Core:
- Chaos Warriors
- Chariots

Rare:
- 2 Hellcannons
- 1 War Shrine

Staple, rest is up to you, I suggest getting some of the new heavy cavalry

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also would you mind explaining exactly what the hellcannon and the warshrine are like/what they do? im very new to everything chaos

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dalloskid wrote:
This gives me a big question. is there any benefit to having an undivided army?

Not really, barring being able to field more bodies. The marks are all good enough that there's really no excuse not to pay the extra point or two for them. Well, barring on Sorcerers, as there's a couple Lores that you can't access if you mark them.

also would you mind explaining exactly what the hellcannon and the warshrine are like/what they do? im very new to everything chaos

The Hellcannon is our stone thrower: Not very accurate, but whatever it hits is in for a world of pain (and it's got magic attacks to boot). It's also prone to occasionally charging the nearest enemy unit, although it's rather nasty in combat so this isn't as bad as it might seem. It's the only real ranged option in our list, so it's understandably widely used.

As for the Warshrine, it's primarily there to throw out buffs to various units by its bound spell, which grants a roll on the Eye of the Gods table to 1d3 nearby champions and/or Lords/Heroes. In addition, it also gives a bonus to Eye of the Gods rolls which makes it more likely you'll get something useful rather than turning your unit champions into Spawn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5350127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5350127.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5350252.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5350252.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army I will almost exclusively by fighting Woodelves and maybe Lizardmen if my friend gets his act together, so just take that into account.

And ill definately have a look at the hellcannon and warhsrine a bit more closely, they sound very good!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5354444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5354444.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army

dalloskid wrote:
Ok, well I've just purchased 56 Marauders and 1 Sorcerer. I dont have the book just yet, so how should I organise this army so far?
I will almost exclusively by fighting Woodelves and maybe Lizardmen if my friend gets his act together, so just take that into account.

And ill definately have a look at the hellcannon and warhsrine a bit more closely, they sound very good!

Ouch, bad decision unless it was a REALLY good deal :/

Well, you can only field a single legal list now: 1 Sorcerer + 2x Marauder units.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5355588.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5355588.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Id like to hear what tactics/upgrades i should employ against a woodelf force? it would be on a very small scale though.
im pretty certain about taking lore of fire for my sorcerer, but what about my marauders? how should i be equiping them? two hand weaponds, weapon and sheild, flails?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358604.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army

What points level are we talking about?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358842.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
i dont think he has any archers yet tbh, hes only just started too. have i wasted my money on these marauders though?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358884.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army WoC now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358925.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army I'll keep the sorcerer no matter what, its a lovely model, and I know that they are at least useful :p

and what should my next step be with this army?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5358936.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army

A sorcerer is a staple in every army. Take him. Every time.

Chaos Warriors are a good unit. Pricey ,but effective. Either Khorne with Halberds or Tzeentch with hand weapon + shield, 6 wide.

The new elite cavallery is another good idea to get. They are very strong and resilient.

Hell cannons are a must-take. At least 1, but 2 are better. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5359297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5359297.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360143.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
and is there a plastic kit for the hellcannon? i dislike metal for anything other than main characters.
or would it be something easily convertible from another kit?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360916.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
The Hellcannon is finecast now, not metal anymore. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360922.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Warriors are expensive points-wise, a unit of 10-12 in a small game is pretty solid and will likely be all you can fit in to reach the '3 units minimum' clause in a small (500ish) point game. You'll want to go bigger in bigger games, 18-20 is fairly standard I think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5360938.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361103.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361122.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army 40k?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361150.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5361159.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army 40k army; i was staying away from eldar because all the aspect warriors used to be metal, but now I might have a go.

So the hellcannon is something I'll definately consider as my next purchase, along with the warriors.

thanks for all this help guys

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Woah hellcannons are a MASSIVE investment for Aussies... nearly 100 bucks. I think ill holdoff on it for a while...
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Price: 25-30€, took me about 3-4 hours (not counting drying processes in).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5363163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5363163.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army

dalloskid wrote:

Woah hellcannons are a MASSIVE investment for Aussies... nearly 100 bucks. I think ill holdoff on it for a while...

And that is one of the issues... :(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5364509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5364509.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army imo) and at the same time, you save quite a lot of money.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5364523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5364523.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
with my 56 marauders and sorcerer, could you guys possibly suggest a 1000 point force to deal with that kind of army?

i will also be fighting lizardmen when my other mate gets his act together :p

im still waiting till i can buy one for the time being, but really want to organise my army before i buy more models.

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Im still trying to figure out if i really want to get WoC, which is silly because ive already bought models :s but i just want to make sure.

Its either them or High Elves, which i would plan on building upon the IoB boxset. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367044.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army

dalloskid wrote:
Ok so I have a bit of questions here. My friend told me that he wants to do a mobile wood elves army, with several units of glade riders.

with my 56 marauders and sorcerer, could you guys possibly suggest a 1000 point force to deal with that kind of army?

i will also be fighting lizardmen when my other mate gets his act together :p

Or even better if someone could get me a PDF of the newest WoC codex

hahah im still waiting till i can buy one for the time being, but really want to organise my army before i buy more models.

Glade Rider army?

You don't need a list for this, field anything you want and you will win!

Lizardmen will kick your ass though if you go Marauder heavy, you'll definitely want Warriors.

Don't ask for .pdfs here, that's illegal and could get you a warning. Edit it out asap.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367076.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army tbh, but thanks for the warning. ill be sure not to again.

Ok I'll not go marauder heavy then thanks for that advice.

Do i have too many marauders for games of that size? or should i just feild them but really cheaply?

and yeah :p i kinda mentioned that to him but he didnt like the idea of archer heavy
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Marauders vs. Lizardmen is another meta issue. If he has a few skink units, don't bother, they'll rid you with tousands of needles and with no armor, they hurt.

Vs. Lizardmen, I'd think about going Nurgle. Since they are dumb, they only hit at WS3 and if you go Nurgle, they will only be able to hit you on 5s, which is a good boost to survivability.

If he only goes Saurus Warrior heavy, a bigger unit of Marauders with GW and Nurgle might even work. You'll hit at the same time and with you hitting on 3s and wounding on 3s, you'll cause a lot of pain, and their armor save gets reduced to a 6+ too. Furthermore, they only hit on 5s with Nurgle and you get a good buff to your Marauders survivability.

Got any idea what kind of army you'll likely face? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367130.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Nurgle seems like it might give some good boosts for the marauders. Man I need to get this codex soon and do some reading!

But so my army can still be viable against both forces? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367220.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army ppm (points per model) too expensive for what they bring.

You already got a few Marauders and that's fine, I would just not buy any more. You could also convert a few Marauders into Forsaken, they are fun to play too and converting is easy to do (e.g. remove an arm and replace it with a tentacle etc.).

You will want to look into some skullcrushers now, they are awesome. But I, personally, wouldn't field them at below 1k. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367252.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367252.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
I dont think ill do the converting to forsaken, unless I change my mind when I get the army book.

I could try and sell them, and then do what I wanted to do in the first place: Run an army based mainly around Warriors. Theyre my favorite core unit; they just look so cool! and they have great stats!
I might have a go at ebaying the Marauders and if they dont sell Ill just hack it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367270.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
See, a they are about 2 points too expensive and in an average unit of 30 Marauders, that'd be 60 points you overpay. Competitive-wise, that certainly matters, but in normal games, what is 60 of 1000 points?

Don't make any decisions before you actually played them

And: vs. Lizardmen and Wood Elves with a lot amount of shooting, they are cool. Your enemy got no template weapons and that's just awesome if you rock Marauders - they are their biggest weakness and you won't even face 'em!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367298.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Id still like to see if i can sell them, merely because i prefer the Warriors as models. But im not going to chuck them up on ebay or anything, so It'll just be if i can them off easily.

It does make me feel better about them so big chance ill end up keeping them. Im not one for hasty descisions so i will definately wait till i get the Army book. should be ordering it within the next few days from dicebucket when i get a citadel hobby starter set; had to get all new paints and tools etc

I have a couple of new questions though:

How good are Chaos Knights and Warhounds? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5367319.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Chaos Knights...I still think they're too expensive. Sure, they are rock hard with a 2+, but if I want fast crushing power, I'd much rather take some Skullcrushers. You can take both though as they are different slots.

My recommendation: see if you can get a bataillon for cheap. Got everything you need. Marauders can be converted to Forsaken ;D

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so far i have lvl 2 upgrade and MoT, but im stuck now. Suggestions?
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dalloskid wrote:
Do you guys have any suggestions for a chaos sorcerer?

so far i have lvl 2 upgrade and MoT, but im stuck now. Suggestions?

Third eye of tzeentch, giving you rerolls of one.
Talisman of preservation (4)3+ ward save thanks to MoT

So by doing this, 3+ ward with rerolls of ones.

Further than this, you can allways buff him with a enchanted shield or whatever you'd like ^^ depends what you want him to do.
Some take disc of tzeentch on their lvl 2's but i like it better on a lord.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369062.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army MoT can be on a disk, have 3+ ward with talisman, enchanted shield to give him 1+ armor, and familiar for an extra spell and channeling bonus. This uses up all his point allotments and is pretty solid IMO. Especially if you give him Lore of Metal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369084.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Oh and the talisman, is that just generic magic items for all armies? I didnt notice it in the chaos magic items.

ps should i go with LoT or Lore of Metal?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369123.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
I really don't like LoT at all. It's a lot of damage, and Glean is nice, Treason has some uses, but giving regen all around... guh. I just can't get over that.

Lore of Metal feels amazing so far, though. +1 to hit on units that are dealing massive amounts of pain (i.e., your entire army) is fantastic. -1 WS hex to bring WS3 to 2 makes them hit your core on 5s, or makes WS5 mirrors let you hit them on 3s. 5+ scaly skin stacks with armor, making your sword and board core 1+ armor. Final transmutation is great. See that 2+ armor BSB bunkered up? Golden hounds nom nom nom.

Seriously, just imagine for a moment 24 S5 halberd swings hitting on 2s. You can do that pretty easily with Lore of Metal against most troops. Even if the enemy has no armor, there are useful spells. I'm running my level 2 sorc as I described and using that lore.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369147.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
The 5+ scaley skin would work well on marauders or even on warhounds acting as a meat sheild

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369183.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army WS/BS/Armor, another hex that reduces armor, a 5+ scaly skin buff, and a +1 and magic attacks buff.

Two hexes, two augments, all of which are fantastic for WoC given their specific stats (WS3 vs WS5 hits on 4s, hex makes it 5s, or even 6s for nurgle... +1 to hit when already hitting on 3s against most things means hitting on 2s with devastating attacks... 3+ armor on core to 1+, or even 4+ halberds go to 2+).

So yes, for WoC it's a fantastic trove of hexes/augments. You could get 3+ armor marauders. Warhounds would be less appealing, as the 'big' version of that spell casts in a 12" radius on all friendly targets (and likely the hounds are out of the way), and a 5+ armor is probably not going to make much of a difference except against very low strength attacks. 3+ armor starts to actually be annoying. Still wouldn't take marauders for that purpose, as you have to get that spell and I'd rather just have 1+/5++ tzeentch warriors that's still about 2/3 the block size.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369193.page GMT Re:Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Ill keep working on my list and ask for advice when i need to

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Ok heres my army list:

Exalted Hero:
Sword of Swift Slaying - ASF
Dawnstone- Reroll unsaved armor rolls
MoK
Additional Hand Weapon
total 173

Sorcerer
lvl 2
MoT
Talisman of Preservation - 4+ ward save
Using lore of Metal
total 190

12 Chaos Warroprs
full command
Banner of Swiftness +1 movement
MoK
extra hand weapon
total 261

12 Chaos Warroprs
full command
Banner of Swiftness +1 movement
MoK
extra hand weapon
total 261

5 Chaos Warhounds
Vanguard
Scaly Hides
Poison Attacks
total 50

5 Chaos Warhounds
Vanguard
Scaly Hides
Poison Attacks
total 50

Total: 985

Looking for advice on what will and wont work in this list

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You also can't have multiple Banner of Swiftness. Only one of the same item/gift per army.

Smaller note, you probably want halberds instead of additional hand weapons. +1S is better than +1A in any situation I can think of, especially when you're putting out a ton of attacks already.

Your sorceror is also out on his own and can't join the MoK warriors. If you're willing to get risky like this, you should probably give him a Charmed Shield or an Enchanted Shield to make him a little more survivable on top of the 3+ ward. Just in case. Plus they're cheap and you can fit it into his item allotment.

Final point, you might want to edit out point costs aside from totals for the unit. Lawyers get a little touchy when exact rules are reprinted, including point costs, so it's best to be on the safe side for that and just not include individual point costs for upgrades and the like.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369716.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Ok well i have a few questions
1. does the warriors kit come with halberds in them?
2. what would be a good place to put my sorcerer, or would it be fine to just give him the few extra upgrades?
3. what would be a good alternative to the banner of swiftness in your opinion?
4. What would you reccomend me add to this list to make it 1500 points?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369738.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army GW, but I don't think anyone's going to fault you for just modeling AHW and saying "They have halberds." If it doesn't feel right to you, AHW isn't bad. It's just not quite as good.

2. If you're going up to 1500, you can stick him on a disk. If you don't want to do that (due to lack of model as you mentioned), you should stick him in a bunker of some sort. A unit of Tzeentch warriors is kind of pricy, but your sorceror isn't bad in combat and as long as you avoid nasty challenges he should be safe. That unit can also make a great anvil. I ran a 1000 point army that had a unit of Tzeentch warriors with shields, a unit of Khorne warriors with halberds, and some knights, and stuck the sorceror with the MoT warriors. Worked pretty well. Make sure to get a champion to accept bad challenges.

3. Since you don't have a BSB and frenzy can send units running off where you don't want them to go, try Gleaming Pennant. It will let you reroll a leadership test that might have put you in a bad spot, and it's really cheap. Great BSB bandaid.

4. Something with high strength hits, and some mobility. I'm not a fan of kitting out the dogs quite that much, but I wouldn't say you shouldn't try it. Just don't expect them to do much. I'd recommend trying knights, skullcrushers, maybe a chimera. Also note that at 1500 points you can get a lord in there. A Daemon Prince is friggin' brutal at that range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369757.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
I like the idea of the khorne with halberds and tzeentch with sheilds, then sticking the sorcerer with them.

So im guessing the gleaming pennant is better with the khorne warriors and i could use the swiftness with the tzeentch ones?

Seeing as it makes no difference to the actual model, ill just see what works.
Skullcrushers look very cool as do knights. Would you reccomend one over the other?
and im pretty sure lords come in at 2000 points, I dont think i can have one just yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369798.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Knights vs Skullcrushers... Skullcrushers tend to be better for hitty power. They hit like a truck carrying also trucks. Knights with MoK can do similar things for nearish point value, but Skullcrushers are just better in comparison. The catch is they take Rare points, while MoK knights are just Special. Knights with MoN can be disgustingly hard to kill in close combat. MoT knights can take the banner that essentially nullifies a lot of shooting against them. Basically, it depends on what you're looking for. If you want some real killing power, MoK knights or Skullcrushers, preferably Skullcrushers if you can spare the rare points.

You might also want to look at a Hellcannon to give you some ranged power.

For banners, if you really want a magic banner on the Tzeentch block, I'd go with the Discipline banner instead. Your sorceror is the same leadership, so you don't really care about the 'drawback', and it makes it less likely that your very important bunker and your general aren't going to suddenly book it if they lose a battle from a flank charge or the like.

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I checked out the sorc lord, for 375 points you can get:

Sorceror Lord
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Level 4 upgrade
- Talisman of Preservation
- Chaos Familiar
- Third Eye of Tzeentch
- Enchanted Shield

And still have 5 points left over. So you'd have 5 of the 6 Lore of Metal spells and likely be able to pick and choose a bit depending on what you're facing, and you'd also get the reroll ward saves of 1 perk. It'd be better still if he was on a disk, but that's not an option and it would go over point value anyway at that point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369843.page GMT Starting a Warriors of Chaos army
Ill go skullcrushers, as they are a nice model and would be very fun to paint, as well as them basically being tanks.

I guess ill have to see if its worth the points or not for the banner.

That sounds like a good kit for the sorcerer lord, ill have a look at upgrading my sorcerer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/511328/5369863.page GMT