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I studied the codex and I think the way to go is "Black Tide" . When one considers the Heldrake meta its one of the few solutions the BT player has as he can really spread 91 models in a way to make it difficult for Heldrakes (or any flyer ) to operate with impunity. Also equipping Bolt Guns can potentially leave the rear of Heldrake in a precarious situation when you have that mass firepower . With the remaining points I added some Talons . I also include a very beefy 9 man Terminator Unit that will march right up the middle of the board. If it gets ignored it will pose a very big issue for opponent towards the later rounds and if it gets focused on ( I have seen an entire army shoot at 9 TTH/SS Terminators and barely kill 2 or 3 with lucky saves rolling ), it can soak up firepower for a few rounds then its great for the horde.

Thoughts on viability? I know this won't win a tournament but this list has to give some opponents a hard time. Also keep in mind the Templars extra move forward, so they get their a bit quicker (potentially)

Emperor's Champion (warlord)
Marshall

1 X 9 Assault Terminators ( X9 TH/SS)

1 X 20 Crusader Squad ( X 10 Bolt Guns 1 Multi Melta, 10 Initiates, 10 neophytes)

1 X 20 Crusader Squad ( X 10 Bolt Guns 1 Multi Melta, 10 Initiates, 10 neophytes)

1 X 20 Crusader Squad ( X 10 Bolt Guns 1 Multi Melta, 10 Initiates, 10 neophytes)

1 X 20 Crusader Squad ( X 10 Bolt Guns 1 Multi Melta, 10 Initiates, 10 neophytes)

1X1 Storm Talon ( Assault cannon, Heavy Bolter)

1X1 Storm Talon ( Assault cannon, Heavy Bolter)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5367885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5367885.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) faq).

Your Marshall should be a CC beast and needs some upgrades (specially since he's gonna be your warlord).

For AA, your best option (and actually one of the best game-wide) is the terminators with tank-hunters on a ADL with quad-gun: works best if enemy's fliers come-in piecemeal but will guarantee to take-out a flyer upon arrival. Combined with your storm-talons and now you got a pretty good AA setup.

Personnally I don't like the blobs in a competitive environment, while you do have a lot of bodies they don't specialize in anything and tend to dwindle down pretty quick, I'll usually keep just one that runs forward screaming and go hack down an enemy troop in CC.

Here's my most successfull BT balanced list (I have beaten a 'Cron Airforce/Wraith-spam list with this), it has good AA, and good assault potential but tends to struggle against hordes and you need to protect the troops: you could drop the AC terminators and Reclusiarch to get back to 1850pts and give yourself more bodies and/or 2nd stormtalon:

Headquarters:

Marshal, TDA, TH/SS, adamantine mantle 185
Reclusiarch, TDA 125
EC, AACNMTO 140

Elites:

5x Termies, 2x CML, tank-hunters 265
5x Termies, 2x ACs, tank-hunters 255
5x Assault Termies, 3xTH/SS, 2xLCs, furious-charge 215

Troops:

6x bolters, 1x PC 132
6x bolters, 1x PC 132
8x BP/CCW, PF, MG, 10x neophytes BP/CCW 305
ADL, quad-gun 100

Fast-Attack:

storm-talon, TML 145]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5368054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5368054.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

phoenix darkus wrote:
The emperor's champion cannot be your warlord (per faq).

Thanks for the response phoenix, good info on Emperor's champion, like i said I am helping a BT player out I had no idea . You can run barebones HQ and simply avoid combat its a different philosophy that allows you to take advantage of points right away, it works also but depends on your play style .

I'll set up your list and he can try it out also.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5369219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5369219.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) CC buffs from the Chaplain. Running a gak ton of Bolter Initiates will see them shot up and running blindly towards the offending unit and quickly into an assault theyre not geared for. You (or rather, your friend) could easily run a huge CC squad (or two) and still shell out for awesome AA defense. CML or AssCan x2 Termis in a Quad with a Stormtalon for later, and run a massive ground force to take on all comers. Really depends on what he owns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5370764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5370764.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) CC units that can do more damage.

Black Templar are dead for being competitive in any shape or format. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5371089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5371089.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

Darkwynn wrote:
Better running 80 marines as Grey hunters through Space wolves in Drop pods. Get better assault, more attacks, better special weapons and CC units that can do more damage.

Black Templar are dead for being competitive in any shape or format.

A) OP specifically stated his friend wants to use the Black Templar codex

B) Myself and several other members of this website are walking proof that your statement is invalid.

C) Enjoy your weekend!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5371137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5371137.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

d3m01iti0n wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:
Better running 80 marines as Grey hunters through Space wolves in Drop pods. Get better assault, more attacks, better special weapons and CC units that can do more damage.

Black Templar are dead for being competitive in any shape or format.

I guess your thinking your are right and trying to be special and smug here but you are not.

A)Great he wants to use the Black Templar book, it is 11 years old. He also wants it to be competitive. The book is too far behind to be competitive level in a national level or really any tournament level. For Example was great Space wolves can do what he wants and actually have 80 marines. The BT are at a 40% point cost differential behind even the oldest marine book.

B) I think since I am the only one who has won with Black Templar on a National level and played them for Team America at the ETC I have an understanding how they work. You can think yourself as proof that you play them but doesn't mean they are competitive. All you are is walking proof that people still play Black Templar nothing wrong with that but don't try and confuse competitive and playing as the same thing. Oh I also won Da boyz GT with Black Templar at a comp level.

Some proof points
http://the11thcompany.freeforums.org/darkwynn-feast-of-blades-2000-point-t3046.html
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&biw=1920&bih=1016&sclient=psy-ab&q=Darkwynn+Black+Templar&oq=Darkwynn+Black+Templar&gs_l=hp.3..0i22i30l2.55508.58628.2.58755.28.16.2.8.8.0.114.1263.14j2.16.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.5.psy-ab.ePP7-UffxQo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.b2I&fp=4dc99e692fecdfae

C) I am having a great weekend. I have a Pina-Colada.
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Darkwynn wrote:

A)Great he wants to use the Black Templar book

Thats as far as I got.

Hows the list coming OP?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5371607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5371607.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

d3m01iti0n wrote:
Problem with the Black Tide philosophy is that its strength lies in Righteous/Unmatched Zeal moves and CC buffs from the Chaplain. Running a gak ton of Bolter Initiates will see them shot up and running blindly towards the offending unit and quickly into an assault theyre not geared for. You (or rather, your friend) could easily run a huge CC squad (or two) and still shell out for awesome AA defense. CML or AssCan x2 Termis in a Quad with a Stormtalon for later, and run a massive ground force to take on all comers. Really depends on what he owns.

What would your suggestion look like ? I'm inputting everyone's suggestions into army builder and printing out the PDFs for my buddy ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5373043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5373043.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5375810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5375810.page GMT 1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5375915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5375915.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) IG list hes testing for an upcoming tourney. Not super familiar with IG but as I recall it was Straken, Lord Commissar, bunch of Vets, bunch of Russes, a Basalisk (I think, huge howitzer type thing), Marbo, a Valk and Vend, and pretty much everybody in an Aegis. I ran:

MoS in TDA (Warlord)
Assault Termis, TH/SS x2, LC x3
LRC

EC w/ AAC
Grimaldus w/ 3 Servitors
5 Ini/5 Neos, Axe and Melta

Termis w/ CML x2, Tank Hunters

Typhoon MM

Typhoon MM

5 Ini, ML, Plas
Stormraven MM, AssCan

He took out my Typhoons early, my CC squad flattened his troops with Grim, EC, and a couple Initiates left over. Lost a hull point on the Raven and flew it off the board. LRC came in from Outflank (thanks Warlord traits!) but got blasted the Termis had to hoof it. Still waiting for the CML Termis to deepstrike.

At this point my Raven fell apart (damnit Chapterhouse!), we were both a little drunk and it was 5am and my buddy had to work in the AM so we called it. I still had the Raven in my pocket to go after the flyers, the CC squad was in a position to start cracking the Basalisk and nearby armor, and the Termis would be porting in for rear armor hits. CC Termi squad was still going and ready to pop the leftover tanks as well. I was in a pretty good position with that list. Next time I would probably say screw the Typhoons and run a TL/ML Ven Dread in a drop pod.

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Darkwynn wrote:
Better running 80 marines as Grey hunters through Space wolves

Except its illegal in games smaller than 2000?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377378.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

Wilytank wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:
Better running 80 marines as Grey hunters through Space wolves

Except its illegal in games smaller than 2000?

This is what I was talking about from Space wolves.

2000 Pts - Space Wolves Roster for 1850 you drop a rune priest and a grey hunter squad and buff up some others. It is more Marines because of its cost efficient.

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour
Power Fist x1 25
Storm Shield x1 30
Runic Armour 20
Saga of the Bear 35

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
10 Grey Hunters Pack,
2 Meltagun
1 Drop Pod, 35 pts

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
10 Grey Hunters Pack,
2 Meltagun
1 Drop Pod, 35 pts

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
10 Grey Hunters Pack,
2 Meltagun
Wolf Standard
1 Drop Pod, 35 pts

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
10 Grey Hunters Pack,
2 Meltagun
Wolf Standard
1 Drop Pod, 35 pts

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
10 Grey Hunters Pack,
2 Meltagun
Wolf Standard
1 Drop Pod, 35 pts

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (
10 Grey Hunters Pack,
Wolf Standard
2 Plasma gun
1 Drop Pod,

Elite: Wolf Guard Pack
1 Wolf Guard Pack, 7 Wolf guard with 7 combi plasma
1 Drop Pod,

Elite: Wolf Guard Pack (
1 Wolf Guard Pack, 7 Wolf guard with 7 combi plasma
1 Drop Pod,

HQ: Rune Priest in Power Armour
Chooser of the Slain

HQ: Rune Priest in Power Armour

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d3m01iti0n wrote:
I just ran 1850 against my friend this weekend. He has a pretty brutal IG list hes testing for an upcoming tourney. Not super familiar with IG but as I recall it was Straken, Lord Commissar, bunch of Vets, bunch of Russes, a Basalisk (I think, huge howitzer type thing), Marbo, a Valk and Vend, and pretty much everybody in an Aegis. I ran:

MoS in TDA (Warlord)
Assault Termis, TH/SS x2, LC x3
LRC

EC w/ AAC
Grimaldus w/ 3 Servitors
5 Ini/5 Neos, Axe and Melta

Termis w/ CML x2, Tank Hunters

Typhoon MM

Typhoon MM

5 Ini, ML, Plas
Stormraven MM, AssCan

He took out my Typhoons early, my CC squad flattened his troops with Grim, EC, and a couple Initiates left over. Lost a hull point on the Raven and flew it off the board. LRC came in from Outflank (thanks Warlord traits!) but got blasted the Termis had to hoof it. Still waiting for the CML Termis to deepstrike.

At this point my Raven fell apart (damnit Chapterhouse!), we were both a little drunk and it was 5am and my buddy had to work in the AM so we called it. I still had the Raven in my pocket to go after the flyers, the CC squad was in a position to start cracking the Basalisk and nearby armor, and the Termis would be porting in for rear armor hits. CC Termi squad was still going and ready to pop the leftover tanks as well. I was in a pretty good position with that list. Next time I would probably say screw the Typhoons and run a TL/ML Ven Dread in a drop pod.

Your spending to many points in Special characters for this list to be competitive and you don't even understand what your opponent has? How can you make a claim in being able to bring a strong list let alone a competitive list for Black Templar?

The problem Black Templar have are a couple of things:
Emp champion vows have been changed. Giving them army wide rage was a heavy nerf. It was the one of the few things that kept that codex up. With the removal of that your troops are low impact.

Which comes to the other problem Black Templar have: troops
high over cost troops with little to no return compared to other codexs. The best bet is to keep them low cost. In most tournaments you will want 4 scoring troop choices. You do not have combat squads so you have to double up on 4 choices the hard way.

If you spend the 90 points for a bare minimum troop choice they are very fragile and you have to either protect them in a couple of ways. reserve but be aware that they can only claim rear objectives near your table edge because of slow movement. The other option is to transport them up and protect them either in Rhinos or Land Raider Crusaders. High expensive cost but could be worth it. If you take 4 troops, I have always reserved two 5 man squads and mounted up the other two in transports.

Which leaves you to spend as many points as possible on elites, Fast attack and heavies:
Units that shine:
Elites: terminators with old skills
Tank hunter has had a reduce impact and so has furious charge with removal of Initiative and lighting claws becoming AP3. Better to run all Thunderhammers....

Dreadnoughts still cheap but everyone else has them.

Fast Attack:
Typhoons are your best option here but will die quickly with only two hull points. They have been costed correctly with everyone else. You either max up on units of two or you look at bikes with Plasma guns.
Storm Talons they are new and cheap and effective at 125. Replace Typhoons with these

Heavy Section:
You have LRC, Storm ravens and Predators take your pick. Keep things cheap.

Those are your choices to make something happen. Once you look at the book and point out list you will figure out that considering the changes you are better off playing Black Templar's as Marines. You can run the same list as Space Marines and you can get more units out of the space marine book. You will be more effective leveraging because it offers everything you have and more. Also, your troops will come with krak and frag grenades and least will accomplish something other then nothing.

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nolzur wrote:
Where do the rune priests and the lord go in that list? No room in the pods, so I assume you are putting them with the Wolf Guard?

Correct. You can jump them off later but that wasn't the point. The point was to show the cost efficient factor of another book compare to Black Templar's who are 11 years old. I would love for Black Templar's to be back on top but I also rather be realistic. You are fighting a up hill battle and they don't have the tools to do it when you compare to the new 6th edition power house builds that have 4 flyers plus 120 guys. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377734.page GMT 1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) DA marines - 14 pts apiece.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377745.page GMT 1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

nolzur wrote:
If you really want to throw out cheap bodies for marines, toss out some DA marines - 14 pts apiece.

True Nolzur, but its actually a false view on those DA marines. They are the same cost as regular Space Marines once you build them up. If you are going to go with bolters then yeah you can throw a lot of bodies but they won't be as effective. Though they will still be more effective then Black Templar. DA marines at least come with Grenades

If I remember correctly I pointed out DA list similar and they were 30% post cost reduction compared to Black Templar. So if you play point to point you are going to be playing 3 to 1 down. Makes for a tough game on equal footing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5377752.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) OP stated twice in his post he is aware they are outdated but his friend WANTS to play Black Templars. I dont see any beards or giant wolves in the BT codex so any suggestions outside of those parameters are off topic.

Back to BT......

Also what I bring to a hobby store table and what I put down on my home table over a 30 pack are two completely different stories. I pulled my usual PA Chaplain out for Grimaldus because he never gets any love outside of home games; he was 50 bucks DAMNIT!!! I usually bring the Talon in place of the Typhoons (my friends been letting me use it long before DftS) but this was my first opportunity to bring out my new Raven and my friend HATES those Speeders and always tries to kill em first. If hes shooting at them hes not shooting at my troops.

Ive only got two TH/SS Termi models. So LCs it shall be until I start breaking arms.

Ive only got one Pred but Im watching EBay like a hawk to turret/sponson my near-useless Rhino. Definitely want to run two.

My Ork army is badass. But I dont play them, because I love BT. They will always be my main. Im putting their modelling aside for now to build up my Nids and I will definitely run them a few times in fun games, but I will always go back to the Templars. I really dont care if theyre up to par or not because it makes the wins that much sweeter when I get them. If I lose? Who cares, my codex is eight years old.

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d3m01iti0n wrote:
Darkwynn I understand youre trying to help but youre actually not. OP stated twice in his post he is aware they are outdated but his friend WANTS to play Black Templars. I dont see any beards or giant wolves in the BT codex so any suggestions outside of those parameters are off topic.

Back to BT......

Also what I bring to a hobby store table and what I put down on my home table over a 30 pack are two completely different stories. I pulled my usual PA Chaplain out for Grimaldus because he never gets any love outside of home games; he was 50 bucks DAMNIT!!! I usually bring the Talon in place of the Typhoons (my friends been letting me use it long before DftS) but this was my first opportunity to bring out my new Raven and my friend HATES those Speeders and always tries to kill em first. If hes shooting at them hes not shooting at my troops.

Ive only got two TH/SS Termi models. So LCs it shall be until I start breaking arms.

Ive only got one Pred but Im watching EBay like a hawk to turret/sponson my near-useless Rhino. Definitely want to run two.

My Ork army is badass. But I dont play them, because I love BT. They will always be my main. Im putting their modelling aside for now to build up my Nids and I will definitely run them a few times in fun games, but I will always go back to the Templars. I really dont care if theyre up to par or not because it makes the wins that much sweeter when I get them. If I lose? Who cares, my codex is eight years old.

No, I am being honest. He wants a list to be competitive which you seem to ignore, which is what I am calling out. I want to be realistic with the OP instead of filling him with false ideas and information that you are providing him. Playing Black Templar are a uphill battle and providing him with the information you have doe not help. You can do exactly what you said play them for fun but if you want them to be competitive you need to throw that idea out because you are going to get hit in the stomach. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5378191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5378191.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt)

Darkwynn wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:
Darkwynn I understand youre trying to help but youre actually not. OP stated twice in his post he is aware they are outdated but his friend WANTS to play Black Templars. I dont see any beards or giant wolves in the BT codex so any suggestions outside of those parameters are off topic.

Back to BT......

Also what I bring to a hobby store table and what I put down on my home table over a 30 pack are two completely different stories. I pulled my usual PA Chaplain out for Grimaldus because he never gets any love outside of home games; he was 50 bucks DAMNIT!!! I usually bring the Talon in place of the Typhoons (my friends been letting me use it long before DftS) but this was my first opportunity to bring out my new Raven and my friend HATES those Speeders and always tries to kill em first. If hes shooting at them hes not shooting at my troops.

Ive only got two TH/SS Termi models. So LCs it shall be until I start breaking arms.

Ive only got one Pred but Im watching EBay like a hawk to turret/sponson my near-useless Rhino. Definitely want to run two.

My Ork army is badass. But I dont play them, because I love BT. They will always be my main. Im putting their modelling aside for now to build up my Nids and I will definitely run them a few times in fun games, but I will always go back to the Templars. I really dont care if theyre up to par or not because it makes the wins that much sweeter when I get them. If I lose? Who cares, my codex is eight years old.

Weve already established his friend is fully aware of this, but wants to play them anyways. Im helping to address the original post to the letter, and youre telling him to change armies.

"Ok I fully understand that making a Black Templar competitive list is difficult"

"wants to use his black Templars as Black Templars and not regular marines. "

"I know this won't win a tournament"

All directly from OP. No idea why were still having this conversation.

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Darkwynn wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:
Darkwynn wrote:

No, I am being honest. He wants a list to be competitive which you seem to ignore, which is what I am calling out. I want to be realistic with the OP instead of filling him with false ideas and information that you are providing him. Playing Black Templar are a uphill battle and providing him with the information you have doe not help. You can do exactly what you said play them for fun but if you want them to be competitive you need to throw that idea out because you are going to get hit in the stomach.

I have been playing since rogue trader and have just about every army in the game fully painted (and thousands of points for each) If my friend wanted a tourney winning beat stick he could borrow an army from me but he doesn't

That being said I am trying to give him ideas for the best BT list possible understanding that the list might completely blow in a tournament environment. (that is why i wrote the word 'attempt")

so I would appreciate BT only list if possible

keep them coming guys

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d3m01iti0n wrote:
I just ran 1850 against my friend this weekend. He has a pretty brutal IG list hes testing for an upcoming tourney. Not super familiar with IG but as I recall it was Straken, Lord Commissar, bunch of Vets, bunch of Russes, a Basalisk (I think, huge howitzer type thing), Marbo, a Valk and Vend, and pretty much everybody in an Aegis. I ran:

MoS in TDA (Warlord)
Assault Termis, TH/SS x2, LC x3
LRC

EC w/ AAC
Grimaldus w/ 3 Servitors
5 Ini/5 Neos, Axe and Melta

Termis w/ CML x2, Tank Hunters

Typhoon MM

Typhoon MM

5 Ini, ML, Plas
Stormraven MM, AssCan

He took out my Typhoons early, my CC squad flattened his troops with Grim, EC, and a couple Initiates left over. Lost a hull point on the Raven and flew it off the board. LRC came in from Outflank (thanks Warlord traits!) but got blasted the Termis had to hoof it. Still waiting for the CML Termis to deepstrike.

At this point my Raven fell apart (damnit Chapterhouse!), we were both a little drunk and it was 5am and my buddy had to work in the AM so we called it. I still had the Raven in my pocket to go after the flyers, the CC squad was in a position to start cracking the Basalisk and nearby armor, and the Termis would be porting in for rear armor hits. CC Termi squad was still going and ready to pop the leftover tanks as well. I was in a pretty good position with that list. Next time I would probably say screw the Typhoons and run a TL/ML Ven Dread in a drop pod.

Thank you, I will input in army builder and print it out for him

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Ok this is another suggestion i had for him in order to take advantage of the vindicators who got a bit of a boost in 6th and POTMS for BT armies. marshall is seriously beefed up, small units are for rear scoring and the reason for rhinos is to afford some sort of protection from heldrake list.

I believe the list can screw up target priority for the opponent.
The vindicators equipped with dozer blades and POTMS stay near the LR for support, the other 10 man squad either goes down a flank for other scoring or supports main attack thrust. Storm talon is for a target of opportunity in the air etc. land speeders are a poor man's air defense battery with 6 strength 8 shots that can snap fire form long range or can shoot up smaller vehicles or provide multiple templates against hordes. No one is going to bother with them if there is an LR with 2 vindis bearing down on them.

Marshal (Iron Halo, Power Fist, Artificer Armor)
Emperor’s Champion (Abhor the witch)
1 X 13 Crusader Squad ( 8 x Intiates BP+CCW , 1 BP+Power Axe, 4 X neophytes)
Land Raider Crusader (Smoke Launchers, Dozer Blade)

1 X 1 Vindicator (POTMS, Dozer Blade)
1 X 1 Vindicator (POTMS, Dozer Blade)

1 X 10 Crusader Squad ( 1 Melta Gun)
Rhino (smoke Launchers)

1 X 5 Crusader Squad
Rhino

1 X 5 Crusader Squad
Rhino

1 X 3 Lanspeeders ( 3 X Typhoon ML, 3 X HB)

1 X 1 Storm talon

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5379190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5379190.page GMT Re:1850 Black Templar Competitive List (attempt) BT force is rounded out. So to hell with it, Im trolling EBay and the War Store to build this list and FINALLY call them done.

MoS, TermHonors, Power Fist, BP, Ceno x3 (Warlord)
EC w/ AAC
10 Ini/10 Neos, Axe, Flamer. Frags

5 Ini, ML, Plas
Lasback

5 Ini, Las, Plas
Aegis w/ Quad

Termis, CML x2, Tank Hunters

Ven Dread, TLLC, ML

Pred Annihilator, LC

Pred Annihilator, LC

Stormtalon, Skyhammer

I will have to check Battlescribe but I think I still have some points to play with. Perhaps a Pod for the Dread. The concept is a backfield Aegis for an objective or midfield clearing, Lasback for Linebreaker objective camping (using it as cover for the squad and heavy fire support), Preds and Dread for tank busting midfield, and naturally the Black Tide runs at full tilt towards light targets on objectives . Preds should generate enough threat to keep some fire off the Black Tide. Termis and Talon should provide late game cleaning and support for the Lasback.

Probably be a week or two until I get another Pred, Lasback turret (completely lost the sprue from the one I bought), an Aegis, and toying with getting Shotgun Scouts. Ill definitely let you know how this goes.

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d3m01iti0n wrote:
Ill share what I just built last night screwing around with 1850. This of course requires some new purchases on my end, which sucks because I want to get my Tyranids up and running, but Ill never be happy until my BT force is rounded out. So to hell with it, Im trolling EBay and the War Store to build this list and FINALLY call them done.

MoS, TermHonors, Power Fist, BP, Ceno x3 (Warlord)
EC w/ AAC
10 Ini/10 Neos, Axe, Flamer. Frags

5 Ini, ML, Plas
Lasback

5 Ini, Las, Plas
Aegis w/ Quad

Termis, CML x2, Tank Hunters

Ven Dread, TLLC, ML

Pred Annihilator, LC

Pred Annihilator, LC

Stormtalon, Skyhammer

I will have to check Battlescribe but I think I still have some points to play with. Perhaps a Pod for the Dread. The concept is a backfield Aegis for an objective or midfield clearing, Lasback for Linebreaker objective camping (using it as cover for the squad and heavy fire support), Preds and Dread for tank busting midfield, and naturally the Black Tide runs at full tilt towards light targets on objectives . Preds should generate enough threat to keep some fire off the Black Tide. Termis and Talon should provide late game cleaning and support for the Lasback.

Probably be a week or two until I get another Pred, Lasback turret (completely lost the sprue from the one I bought), an Aegis, and toying with getting Shotgun Scouts. Ill definitely let you know how this goes.

Thanks!

one thing that seems to be wrecking house is a 5 man termie unit (tank hunters) with 2 CMLs, camping out behind an aegis on a quad gun.....the armor pen re rolls are hell and its tough to dig them out .

I'll look over your suggestions and try to play test it with buddy.

Hey a BIG question, can BT take 35 point rhinos from forgeworld???????]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5390975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/512728/5390975.page GMT