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As I understand it, craftworld saim hann is pretty barbaric, where other craftworlds are very calm.
opinions?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373894.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k. The Eldar in particular lean towards genocide of "lesser" species.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373904.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373941.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k into order / disorder , the space elves land on the order side of things.
But thats the best that could be said. Want to be mislead? Let an Eldar guide you.,...

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As a whole their leaders are almost incorruptible, but only through not exposing themselves to others.

They tend to consider more to the afterlife than their current ones, so to them, they approach life with a zealotry in that the real concern is for the souls, not lives.

So what makes one good? Do they randomly kill others? No, they consider that wasted effort. But if need be, there is little discomfort in death and killing because they "know" there is an afterlife.
Are they principled? Yes from leader to leader and person to person...but they do have scoundrels as well...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373953.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373960.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373974.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k. There is only survival.

It's like asking whether the lion or the gazelle is the good guy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373982.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40K to be 'good guys'.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5373984.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374032.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
So, the Eldar are an odd species to try and put on the "Good or Bad" scale. I would put them leaning more towards good, if only because they only commit mass genocide when they absolutely need to in order to protect Eldar lives. If you stay out of their way and don't piss them off, they will leave you alone for the most part]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374466.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374466.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Their depravity created the Eye of Terror and one of the four major chaos gods, and they've been practicing wholesale genocide to preserve their paltry existence ever since.


This. As one of my DE-playing friends put it:

"Oh gak, we partied to hard, we've created a monster, what're we going to do?!"

"Party harder, man!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374510.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k are the Tau, and even that's debatable. Eldar are as "good" as Space Marines. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374667.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?


Eldar aren't the good guys. No-one is. Using D and D black-and-white alignments in 40K doesn't work on some of the races as well as on others. They run the gamut from CE to LG, sometimes with the same individual..

Eldar are a noble, beautiful, ethereal and highly psychic dying race clinging desperately to survival while practising denial of self and dulling their emotions to avoid getting soul-slurped by Slaanesh.

They are also a bunch of racist, genocidal asshats who think they know better than anyone else what needs to be done, keep reminding everyone that they once ruled this galaxy, and couldn't give two short feths about any other race out there.

They would happily see the whole universe burn if it meant that the Eldar survived, and would do it themselves if they were able.

Or not. Hard to tell with Eldar They're like that.




]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374685.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k world. A family masquerading as a nation-state in a tiny locale that basically stays to itself and isn't terribly relevant to most of the things going on around it.

The most that they do is spoil things to serve their own ends, but it would be hard to say that they're either good or evil.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374695.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374695.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374698.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k is grimdark and all its inhabitants are such as well]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374704.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
This poll is therefore incomplete, misleading, and inaccurate.

Also, they're manipulative, as racist as the imperium, cowards, and have horrible fashion sense. Probably the most evil faction in the game. I mean, they made a friggin CHAOS GOD. That speaks volumes for how evil those pointy headed gitz are.

Also, I like Ailaros's explanation. It's pretty spot on too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374727.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374729.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
The newcrons stopped being eternal evil too :( I liked the oldcron version better

Would you consider the Orks good also, then? They were created to fight the crons, and have been fighting them, and everyone else, since. As the vast majority of races in 40K are evil that ought to make them the 'good guys' for smacking these evil gitz down throughout all history.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374749.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
No, Orks are more Chaotic Evil-ish, similar to Necrons. They are weapons that have gone loose cannon and they rather smack everything and not just the bad ones ;D

Eldar, however, were the very first race created by the Old Ones before they were utterfly destroyed after crying like little girls, praying to the Nightbringer to grant them mercy...that they never got.

Also, iirc, weren't Orks created by small particles in space brought to the world of WHFB that then grew and then persisted into 40k? Might be blurry here, don't know much about Orks :/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374782.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374787.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
 Sigvatr wrote:
I do not acknowledge the "new" Necron fluff.



Fixed that for you. Sweeping statements like that generally aren't a very good way to come across as sensible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374789.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
Hard to tell really

Kind of like the old fluff hinting that Sigmar from WHFB was in fact a Primarch.

I'd put Orks as CN personally. Sure, they want to push your face in, but it's all in good fun Maybe a very cheerful CE.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5374796.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
*fun may cause dismemberment and/or death

Eldar are other...other being dependent on do you think it is morally wrong to put down a rabid dog? If yes then evil, if no then good cause to the eldar everybody else is a rabid dog running around looking for scrapes and ready to possibly bite them.

The eldar are as relevant as the illuminati...if you believe conspiracy theories then they are in every major event, if not then they have never done anything. For all we know the horus heresy was caused due to the eldar; causing the death of a maid, who would have cleaned a portrait, that would have inspired a terran, to brush his teeth that would have caused him to be late to work, where he would have gotten the emperor his coffee, that would have let the emperor give horus a slightly different gene pattern, which would have made horus less susceptible to prideful corruption... you get it? The eldar are everywhere and in everything and if you don't see it then you need more marijuana cause it will enlighten you!

(I do not in anyway condone the usage of illegal substances. The plot to over throw the major governments and institutions through wide spread drug use by dakkadakka members does not exist and if you believe it does please see your nearest "therapist" -read commissar.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375218.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k is about as promising as the search for a Black Power activist in a KKK meeting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375269.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
40k doesn't have "good guys". They've got "order" and "disorder". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375335.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k are evil, which is part of the reason I like the setting. (When there are no good guys, it allows the protagonists to be as evil as the writer wants them to be.)

The Eldar are a much more understated evil than the bigoted ignorance of the Imperium or the callous barbarism of the orks or the hedonistic cruelty of the Dark Eldar. Craftworld Eldar represent the evil of apathy. They have damned themselves, and they know it. Rather than take the lessons that the (functional) extinction of their species taught them and build a legacy that would further the causes of life and peace, they cling to their own jaded, selfish existences, decrying the shortsightedness of the lesser races while at the same time refusing to lift a finger to help.

From a protagonistic standpoint, they are the proud last defenders of a once great Empire, doomed by a tragedy beyond their (personal) control. Like a grim sci-fi version of Cassandra, they can see the future, but are powerless to prevent the destiny of their own race: annihilation. From an antagonistic standpoint, they are lazy and foolish, just as foolish as the younger races around them. The main reason, which they cannot accept, that they are all doomed is that they are unwilling to change. The Exodite Eldar, or even the loathsome Dark Eldar, both proved willing to do something drastic and different, and they might survive the extinction of the Eldar people, albeit as descendent cultures (and possibly species).

Great stuff. It plays on some of the same themes that we see with elves in fantasy, from Tolkien to Hendee.

All that is, of course, just my personal opinion. I could be wrong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375788.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? ITT: people acting like the craftworld eldar are a single faction with coherent goals, instead of a hundred plus independent states with greatly varying ideas and goals.

The craftworlds possess the only force for good greater than the Imperial Inquisition. They also serve as a breeding ground for corsairs. But mostly they're just civilians minding their own business in the middle of nowhere.



Of course we know the real good guys are the dark eldar. Nowhere do we find so powerful an enemy of chaos so unconcerned with anything that's happening that they'll spend centuries perfecting the art of snorting space coke.

Also, the Eldar are "dying out" less than the Tau are. Quite a bit, honestly, since they're significantly better insulated and armed, not to mention significantly larger. Like, "one craftworld has a bigger population and military than the Tau" larger.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5375894.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5376905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5376905.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? So why aren't the Dark Eldar staging extreme genocide against the craftworlds?

No more slaanesh = even bigger party for the Dark Eldar. So the eldar are evil, as their continued existence is keeping slaanesh alive...
They should also be supporting their Dark Eldar allies more as well, as every life the de lose strengthens slaanesh.



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DE aren't into suicide.

If it is just the CWE, the DE would still have difficulty committing genocide on the Eldar, as DE excel in surprise attacks against weaker foes, not suicide runs against planet-sized spaceships bristling with weapons and surrounded by massive fleets

Sure, they could do a lot of damage en masse, but not enough to be worth it.

Doubly so if they did manage to take out a craftworld, as the other craftworlds would then be a tad annoyed and they know where Commorragh is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5376948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5376948.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
 Ascalam wrote:
Wasn't the legend 'when all the Eldar die' ?

DE aren't into suicide.

If it is just the CWE, the DE would still have difficulty committing genocide on the Eldar, as DE excel in surprise attacks against weaker foes, not suicide runs against planet-sized spaceships bristling with weapons and surrounded by massive fleets

Sure, they could do a lot of damage en masse, but not enough to be worth it.

Doubly so if they did manage to take out a craftworld, as the other craftworlds would then be a tad annoyed and they know where Commorragh is.


Dark Eldar souls don't go towards Ynnead - they don't use soul stones or world spirits. When They die, they get munched by she who thirsts. Which is why they are obssessed with not dying. They know where they're going.
Spoiler:

I've just read the Mask of Vyle
The DE take out a craftworld. The Harlequins aren't too happy about it, but thats about it.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5376967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5376967.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k, and they don't really randomly attack other races. If I would have voted anything else, it would have been Good, because they have been, as already stated, fighting back Evil since just about forever.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5388407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5388407.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5388557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5388557.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389875.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389875.page GMT Re:Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"? 40k, but there are no forces of good at all. There are just forces that oppose evil. Craftworld, Exodite, and Harlequin Eldar are some of those.

That doesn't really have anything to do with good, because also in that group are the Imperium, Orks, and Necrons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389956.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389956.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
They have good intention but sometimes they execute them in a worst possible way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389963.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
They look at other beings like insects that if they sting or invade their home are to be exterminated.

With our present cultural views of "race supremists" they would be considered evil but "normal" in the 40k universe.

It is all about perspective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5389993.page GMT Do you consider the eldar to be the "good guys"?
 Talizvar wrote:


They look at other beings like insects that if they sting or invade their home are to be exterminated.


well said

I think they have the "don't hurt me and I won't hurt you" mentality and are more about the survival of their species than anything else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5391122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513111/5391122.page GMT