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Have got my self some solid Eldar lists at the moment and have been looking again at the units we have available and one stood out to me that I haven't tried yet (mostly cos I don't have the models atm) the ol' warp spiders!

Just wanted to quiz my fellow craft world brethren on what's the best tactics for these guys and configurations, exarch powers and equipment? Squad size?

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388266.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
They jump up through cover pretty quickly, meaning I can hace them fire at a troop squad about turn 2-3. I jump them in to range, shoot, then out of range and back to cover. Of course, they always end up being chased by Khorne Berzerkers or similar (my firend really isn't much of a tactician), but considering their mobility this has yet to become a problem. They will be a lot harder against mobile armies, though, so be careful.

Hope this somehow helped!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388359.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? CC. I personally am not sold on whether the Dual Spinners or the Spinneret rifle are a better choice, though mostly I lean toward Dual Spinners. If I have points to spare and I'm running a big squad of Spiders I'll give them Withdraw. Spiders ftw!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388880.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5388944.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?


With warp spiders, its one of the only squads where the exarch upgrade always increases the damage output.
For 22 points you get a warp spider
for 17 points you get the exarch and dual spinners. Therefore you gain WS5 and BS5 for essentially free. You have one less body, but that can be an advantage when jumping out of range.

I run 5+exarch+ dual spinners. Running 3 squads is expensive, but helps diffuse target priority. Better than running large squads. However, running a single squad can also be helpeful as he can often find a place to JSJ and hide out of LOS. Dont be afraid of dangerous terrain or using the assault jump. If you lose a guy, so be it, but it will save you more from rapid fire. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389204.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? If I'm using them as a squad, then 10 as it's far more fun ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389207.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389341.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
264 points of S6 love that I can deliver with Deep Strike or inate mobility then jump away to prevent charges,

My problem with Withdraw and the Dual Blades is that a couple of S3 power weapon attacks is just not going to make you into a close combat monster and the withdraw ability just isn't worth it when you figure you have to survive a round of fire and a round of HTH combat... At T3 with AP 3 you still are going to have a greatly reduced squad. I would just write it off and take multiple cheaper squads.

The Anti-tank weapon for the exarch kind of goes against the powers of the rest of the squad... Hmm 4 almost auto hit S6 attacks or one anti-tank weapon backed up by at least 4 AP - weapons... I think the only way I would consider it would be if I attached an Autarch with a Fusion gun and Warp Generator and I am still discounting at least 6 S6 AP- shots from the rest of the squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389360.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389362.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? WW with Scatter lasers. Almost double the shots, 3 times the range, and on a (in my opinion) more durable base. If you're stuck for Heavy slots, fine, run Hornets. Two hornets with Scats put out 16 shots at 36" for about the same amount of points. Plus they're faster and again (imo) more durable. If you love the whole "death from a thousand cuts" weaponry, use a Nightspinner. TL Barrage, S6, rending? Very effective at sniping important characters, and plus, with a (I believe) 72" you can sit out of LOS and drop them all game. And its on a AV12 Falcon chassis, its fairly durable with cover saves.

It just seems to me that for everything they do, someone does it better, cheaper, longer ranged, etc. My cents, of 2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389461.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? AV vehicles are becoming more common and war walkers may not even be able to hurt them.

Also, 3 war walkers are significantly easier to kill. Not only do warp spiders have warp jump generators to avoid assault, get in cover, or get out of LOS, but they are also considered to be less of target priority by the majority of players. 3 war walkers will die turn 1-2 vs almost any army. I have had warp spiders survive until game end almost 1/2 the games i use them. Deepstriking melta/plas is becoming more common, S6-9 fliers are becoming almost ubiquitous, and melee/ short range armies are pretty much gone. Everything has weapons to kill war walkers that can reach across the board.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389516.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
Sometimes I will also add one autarch with fusion gun, mandiblasters, power sword (although thinking of swapping to an axe) and jump generator.

The power weapons are in there in case I get assaulted or want to assault a backfield unit like devastators and the withdraw is there to get me the hell out of combat if I want.

I usually get them to deep strike behind enemy tanks and blow their rear armour to bits. In one game I had 2 units of 7 do this and they took out my opponents 2 vindicators in the same turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389548.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
If used, I do 8 models, one upgraded to an exarch with dual spinners. Withdrawl I'll add if I have some points to use, but only then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389652.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
rohansoldier wrote:
Sometimes I will also add one autarch with fusion gun, mandiblasters, power sword (although thinking of swapping to an axe) and jump generator.


I have played around with the use of a Power Lance as well. Making the Autarch pretty decent on a charge, and withdraw makes sure he can get out of there when things go bad.

Just for fun, I'd run them with an attached farseer on a jetbike. Warp Spiders with fortune and guide.... pretty great.

I have always been a fanboy for Warp Spiders, so I'm definitely not impartial when it comes to them. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389672.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
DAaddict wrote:

The Anti-tank weapon for the exarch kind of goes against the powers of the rest of the squad... Hmm 4 almost auto hit S6 attacks or one anti-tank weapon backed up by at least 4 AP - weapons... I think the only way I would consider it would be if I attached an Autarch with a Fusion gun and Warp Generator and I am still discounting at least 6 S6 AP- shots from the rest of the squad.


The anti-tank version does have one additional bonus, it's 18" range. This will let you shoot a infantry squad from further away, like in 5th ed., making it easier to avoid assault/return fire.
I've never used it though ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389826.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
In order to make use of their weapons, they have to be reasonably close to the bulk of the target unit, not just near the edges anymore. After that, they only get away as far as everyone else charges. This means, any one who wishes to wipe out the Warp Spiders in assault can now do so reliably.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5389949.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
 DarknessEternal wrote:
The errata to limit casualties from ranged shooting combined with the increased charge range on all models eliminated the effectiveness of this unit.

In order to make use of their weapons, they have to be reasonably close to the bulk of the target unit, not just near the edges anymore. After that, they only get away as far as everyone else charges. This means, any one who wishes to wipe out the Warp Spiders in assault can now do so reliably.


IIRC I believe that the Spinnerette Rifle has an 18 inch range. Which can persuant to the errata, let you allocate the rest of the Squads Guns out to 18 inches. This means that the Spinnerette Rifle may actually become the weapon of choice on the Warp Spider Exarch despite lowering his actual damage output since it lets you still kite at 12 inches and allocate up to 18 inches in. Or at least it makes it a meaningful choice between the extra damage and percision shots of the 2 spinners, or the allocation benefits of the spinerette rifle.

Another option is to take a las blaster on your Autarch. You lose the fusion goodness, but can now allocate your Spider shots out to 24 inches. Which will cover the whole of an enemy squad as long as your spiders can touch a single model within 12.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5390321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5390321.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5390935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5390935.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
22 shots from a full squad and an Exarch rocking the dual spinners is just devastating. A Farseer on a bike guiding and fortuning them is also incredibly effective and worth the investment IMO if you can spare the points. I prefer vehicles for targets because I don't like return fire as Spiders become much less useful when their firepower dwindles.

Sometimes I deepstrike for rear armor shots or to kill backfield heavy weapons guys, but for the most part I like to start them on the table since they have the speed to shoot from turn two anyway.

My group doesn't play that long range guns boost the killing range of shorter ranged guns in the squad. To mitigate the effects of that I usually estimate how much damage I'll do and put myself in range of that many guys +1 or 2. If I know I'll want to assault I just get in there and commit (usually only if there is another unit available to assist in shooting if I botch my roll with the Spiders).

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On a more tactical note 20 S6 shots from 1 squad can be overkill sometimes. With 2 squads, if you get good dice you can rear shot 2 vehicles, or 1 vehicle and a squad or whatever. If your dice are crap then fire 20 shots to glance a box dead.

Basically, it lets you split fire if you need to for the price of another Fast slot you wouldn't use anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5391506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5391506.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5393429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5393429.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
 DarknessEternal wrote:
The errata to limit casualties from ranged shooting combined with the increased charge range on all models eliminated the effectiveness of this unit.

In order to make use of their weapons, they have to be reasonably close to the bulk of the target unit, not just near the edges anymore. After that, they only get away as far as everyone else charges. This means, any one who wishes to wipe out the Warp Spiders in assault can now do so reliably.


I have found that warping the spiders to the upper level of ruins usually blunts the return assult charge. admittedly I don't always roll high enough on the second jump to do that but then I will at least try to put them out of line of sight.

There is also the idea of jumping them behind one of your own units that will take the enemy charge instead of the warpspiders. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5395954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5395954.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
-Matt]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396032.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? cs groto book)).
But I would run at least 5 w/ exarch. I do dual spinners and powerblades on my exarch, even though (and don't hate me for saying this) I like to throw an autarch in with them with a power sword and fusion gun too, just for an extra bit of kick for the squad, and in case they get in close combat, or if they are shooting at a squad and want to finish them off, the extra power weapon attacks help a lot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396064.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396896.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
HawaiiMatt wrote:
Now that opponents charge just a little further, and you have to be within 6" to rapid fire, I'd leave them at home.

-Matt


They have assault weapons not rapid fire weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5396933.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
 bobtheoverlord wrote:
Do you think surprise attack I a good power for them. I ask because I want to add some to my Deathwing who can all come in through deep strike really early on (eg turn 1)


Surprise Assault is pretty much useless. All the standard games already allow DS so you are spending points to be able to do something you can already do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5397096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5397096.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
warpspider89 wrote:
HawaiiMatt wrote:
Now that opponents charge just a little further, and you have to be within 6" to rapid fire, I'd leave them at home.

-Matt


They have assault weapons not rapid fire weapons.


Not to mention that it's obvious when you use them that 6" is much closer than you need to be. Mine operate fine at 9-10". Range is more of a factor now, but that doesn't change the fact that they're the most points efficient S6 hits we can get outside of Scatter Walkers. Warp Spiders are still quite useful.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5397102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5397102.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
rohansoldier wrote:
I usually field mine in units of 7 with exarch, dual spinners and withdraw (I have 2 units kitted this way).

Sometimes I will also add one autarch with fusion gun, mandiblasters, power sword (although thinking of swapping to an axe) and jump generator.

The power weapons are in there in case I get assaulted or want to assault a backfield unit like devastators and the withdraw is there to get me the hell out of combat if I want.

I usually get them to deep strike behind enemy tanks and blow their rear armour to bits. In one game I had 2 units of 7 do this and they took out my opponents 2 vindicators in the same turn.


I thought you could only use a power sword... Though an axe would be awesome!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5398145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5398145.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5398166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5398166.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?


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I thought odd power weapons were ap3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5398287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5398287.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? CC something that if you take your risks correctly will not happen.

I run them either in one squad of 7-8 members including exarch or two 5-6 men squads with or without exarch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5399398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5399398.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
Me... wrote:
I thought odd power weapons were ap3



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I thought odd power weapons were ap3


They are AP 3 weapons with a special rule that allows them to fully ignore armor. The AP3 part is only particularly relevant because it affects whether or not they gain bonuses when rolling on the armor penetration chart, which doesn't actually matter for Eldar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5400996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5400996.page GMT Re:Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? IG.

I ran them with a Jump Autarch w/ Fusion Gun & Power Sword. They were pretty devastating. Their movement was great, being able to jump away when in danger after the deep strike scattered. Turn 3, I was able to seperate the Autarch from the unit so he could go shoot/assault a Sentinel while the squad took down a squad of vets by themselves. 12 S6 shorts then assaulting takes out pretty much anything. Especially with the 4 attacks the Exarch gets on the charge.

I really love playing with them, their mobility, S6 shots causing ID against T3, and some decent CC strength against non CC specialists makes them great.

I havn't had a chance to use withdraw yet.

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Oh... Sorry... realized you were talking about the Exarch... I meant the Autarch... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5405561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5405561.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
Me... wrote:
Doesn't the Exarch have 5 attacks on the charge? Pistol and power sword means +1 attack?


Where do you see it listed that the Exarch has a pistol?

Edit: or a power sword for that matter]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406220.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
Oh, and the power sword was one of the upgrades Belly stated...

Oh... Just noticed... I meant the Autarch... Sorry =P]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406509.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations?
 dnanoodle wrote:

Not to mention that it's obvious when you use them that 6" is much closer than you need to be. Mine operate fine at 9-10". Range is more of a factor now, but that doesn't change the fact that they're the most points efficient S6 hits we can get outside of Scatter Walkers. Warp Spiders are still quite useful.

So you're willing to kill only 2 models in the target unit?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406527.page GMT Warp spiders. Yay or Nay? Configurations? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/513965/5406552.page GMT