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				<description><![CDATA[ Didn't read this book yet, all I have heard is that it is essentially Raven Guard vs. Tyranids.<br /> <br /> Now I came upon this comment today regarding this book: "You have civilians destroying a moon of their own planet in Helion Rain as they had bad targeting systems. They wanted to shoot Tyranid ship that was as big as their moon. And this were only civilians!!"<br /> <br /> What kind of weapon would they have that is strong enough to blow up a moon?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Is it possible that none knows answer to this?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:50:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've listened to helion rain, but I can't answer the question. <br /> <br /> Isn't "big ass gun" an acceptable answer? <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's not anwsered in the audio. But probably some big ass torpedo, or a maybe a big ass linear type gun previously used to shoot mined stuff into orbit? ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:55:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cyclonic Torpedoes are capable of shattering entire planets, as are mega-melta bombs.  These are two of the many weapons the Inquisition has at its disposal for committing Exterminatus on a world.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:35:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Psienesis]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks guys.<br /> <br /> Imperium should be technology backwards society, and here we have civilians use weapon that can destroy planets - CIVILIANS.<br /> <br /> I am just amazed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> didn't exploit this, regarding this... the fact that civilians use it shuld meant this gun can be used by everyone not only <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>. So why don't they have this kind of weapon at every planet?<br /> <br /> This is why I wanted to know this. I guess we will never know... Thank you anyway guys <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:35:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brother Captain Alexander]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The hell is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:46:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Soladrin]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> - Adeptus Mechanicus.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:58:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brother Captain Alexander]]></author>
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				<title>Need info on &quot;Helion rain&quot; [spoiler]</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/75875e5990bca882409aa1db0cd7cdc0.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/515480/5420631.page"><b>Brother Captain Alexander wrote:</b></a><br/>Thanks guys.<br /> <br /> Imperium should be technology backwards society, and here we have civilians use weapon that can destroy planets - CIVILIANS.<br /> <br /> I am just amazed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span> didn't exploit this, regarding this... the fact that civilians use it shuld meant this gun can be used by everyone not only <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(682);'>AM</span>. So why don't they have this kind of weapon at every planet?<br /> <br /> This is why I wanted to know this. I guess we will never know... Thank you anyway guys <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Having listened to the audio, I have to argue against a few things.<br /> <br /> Who said anything about weapons being in the hands of civilians?  Most worlds have some form of standing military in the form of their PDF, whose quality and resources can vary as wildly as Imperial Guard regiments.  Who's to say that it wasn't simply combined fire from planet-based cannons or missiles that had mis-targeted?  There's no mention at all of a single bomb or missile being the cause of the moon's destruction.  The only description of the weapons used are that they are inferior to some standard for surface-to-space weaponry.  And even if it was some single super weapon, who's to say that this wasn't the only one of such weapon on the entire planet?  That it was kept locked away for only the most extreme of circumstances?  Who's to say the moon isn't half or even a quarter of the size of Earth's moon, thus making such destruction far more prone to causing instability?  There's far too many questions to try and draw any inference regarding the weaponry the planet had prior to the tyranid invasion.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:27:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/515480/5420855.page"><b>jareddm wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Who said anything about weapons being in the hands of civilians?  Most worlds have some form of standing military in the form of their PDF, whose quality and resources can vary as wildly as Imperial Guard regiments.  Who's to say that it wasn't simply combined fire from planet-based cannons or missiles that had mis-targeted?  There's no mention at all of a single bomb or missile being the cause of the moon's destruction.  The only description of the weapons used are that they are inferior to some standard for surface-to-space weaponry.  And even if it was some single super weapon, who's to say that this wasn't the only one of such weapon on the entire planet?  That it was kept locked away for only the most extreme of circumstances?  Who's to say the moon isn't half or even a quarter of the size of Earth's moon, thus making such destruction far more prone to causing instability?  There's far too many questions to try and draw any inference regarding the weaponry the planet had prior to the tyranid invasion.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Thanks for the additional info, I am just surprised that Imperium has this kind of weapon. The share power of it puts even Tau to shame.<br /> As for the size of the Moon I think I can answer that, they destroyed the moon because they confused him with the Tyranid Hive Fleet. And Tyranid Hive Fleets are huge by default, so the moon could be Earth size Luna easily.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:46:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brother Captain Alexander]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(533);'>IoM</span> have the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> monopoly on on WMDs.<br /> <br /> Exterminatus, Nova Cannons, Warp Torpedo, Warp Missiles, Virus Bombs and several other planet killer weapons. <br /> <br /> Tau don't use the WMD tactics in their doctrines, preferring to kill inhabitants if they can't turn them to the Greater Good with surgical precision. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:14:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Puscifer]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Apart from the Tyranids, and the Necrons one bit of tech that lets them destroy stars, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(533);'>IoM</span> is the single-most destructive faction in the galaxy, and have more patterns of weapons than the Tau Empire has citizens.]]></description>
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