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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi all, my first 1500pt  local tournament is coming up April 13, 2013. There should be about 12 armies and I can expect at least: 2 Imperial guard, 1 Tyranid, 2 Tau, 1 Necron, 1 Chaos, and a variety of Space Marines (but no Ultramarine's). I recently got back into Warhammer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> after a 7 year hiatus. I've never played in a tournament before and I am still pretty new; maybe 12 games lifetime in either fantasy or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>. The last 2 months I've had 5 games with my new Ultramarine army. My record started out with 2 losses against Templar's and Chaos <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>, but have since won 3 straight; 2 against Templar's and 1 against Space Wolve's at the local gaming spot. I would like some strategic advice/assurance based on what I field below.<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> + Troop -  395pt:</b><br /> <br /> Cato Sicarius - Infiltrate<br /> Tactical Squad (10) - power fist, flamer, heavy bolter<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> + Troop - 285pt:</b><br /> <br /> Librarian - Force Dome, Avenger<br /> Tactical Squad (10) - plasma gun, plasma cannon<br /> <br /> <b>Troop + Transport - 210pt:</b><br /> <br /> Tactical Squad (10) - melta gun, multi- melta<br /> Rhino - stormbolter<br /> <br /> <b>Elites + Transport - 200pt:</b><br /> <br /> Veterans (5) - 5 combi-melta's, hellfire rounds<br /> Drop Pod - stormbolter<br /> <br /> <b>Elites - 200pt:</b><br /> <br /> Terminators - 4 power fist's, 1 power sword, stormbolter's<br /> <br /> <b>Heavy Support - 210pt:</b><br /> <br /> Devastator Squad - 2 lascannon's, 2 plasma cannon's<br /> <br /> Usually get my vets in right away to pop any tanks with their 5 combi-melta's in the drop pod. Love seeing a Landraider go first turn. I use <i>Infiltrate</i> with Cato to get a front line/objective established with the power fist, flamer, and heavy bolter. The Librarian and plasma squad are fire support and objective holder's. Devastator's do their job and provide support from a distance. the 3rd troop melta-squad is tagged with a rhino and is used to clean up any tank left behind by the vet's or devastator's. And finally, the Terminator's come in to provide ground assault support for any troop that need's it most; which, is usually Cato at the front line.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Welcome to dakka <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> You might want to post your list in the tactics section so you can get some good advice.<br /> <br /> Nicely painted model and good luck for your first tournament, hope you do better than I just did at my first haha]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Welcome. <br /> <br /> <i><font color='red'>Thread moved to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40K</span> army lists.</font></i>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517102/5444202.page"><b>Deadfoot wrote:</b></a><br/>Hi all, my first 1500pt  local tournament is coming up April 13, 2013. There should be about 12 armies and I can expect at least: 2 Imperial guard, 1 Tyranid, 2 Tau, 1 Necron, 1 Chaos, and a variety of Space Marines (but no Ultramarine's).  <br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> + Troop -  395pt:</b><br /> <br /> Cato Sicarius - Infiltrate<br /> Tactical Squad (10) - power fist, flamer, heavy bolter<br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> + Troop - 285pt:</b><br /> <br /> Librarian - Force Dome, Avenger<br /> Tactical Squad (10) - plasma gun, plasma cannon<br /> <br /> <b>Troop + Transport - 210pt:</b><br /> <br /> Tactical Squad (10) - melta gun, multi- melta<br /> Rhino - stormbolter<br /> <br /> <b>Elites + Transport - 200pt:</b><br /> <br /> Veterans (5) - 5 combi-melta's, hellfire rounds<br /> Drop Pod - stormbolter<br /> <br /> <b>Elites - 200pt:</b><br /> <br /> Terminators - 4 power fist's, 1 power sword, stormbolter's<br /> <br /> <b>Heavy Support - 210pt:</b><br /> <br /> Devastator Squad - 2 lascannon's, 2 plasma cannon's<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Usually get my vets in right away to pop any tanks with their 5 combi-melta's in the drop pod. Love seeing a Landraider go first turn. I use <i>Infiltrate</i> with Cato to get a front line/objective established with the power fist, flamer, and heavy bolter. The Librarian and plasma squad are fire support and objective holder's. Devastator's do their job and provide support from a distance. the 3rd troop melta-squad is tagged with a rhino and is used to clean up any tank left behind by the vet's or devastator's. And finally, the Terminator's come in to provide ground assault support for any troop that need's it most; which, is usually Cato at the front line.<br /> <br /> Alright, I will assume Cato is the core of your army. He can give one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Squad Counterattack, Scout, Infiltrate or Tank Hunter...  So I assume you are using it to infiltrate and estabish your fire line...  IF you have one dreadnought or better yet an ironclad dreadnought, I would suggest dropping that in instead of your pricey sternguard.  It will cause more problems and preserve those sternguard to use their pricey special ammo to your benefit.<br /> <br /> So:<br /> <br /> <b>Cato:</b> 200<br /> <b>Librarian:</b> Gate of Infinity 100<br /> <font color='red'>Gate to take advantage of your other options. </font><br /> <b>Sternguard:</b> 5 w Combi-Melta 150<br /> <b>Terminators:</b> 5                    200<br /> <b>Ironclad w Hvy Flamer & Melta in Drop Pod w Locator Beacon</b> 190<br /> <font color='red'>A regular Dread with MultiMelta and Heavy Flamer is another option for 160</font><br /> <br /> <b>Tactical </b>10 w Combi-Flamer, Melta Gun, Multi-Melta  185<br /> <font color='red'>Short ranged anti-tank because this is infiltrating. </font><br /> <b>Tactical</b> 10 w Plasma, Plasma Cannon 185<br /> <br /> <b>Devastator</b> 10 w 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> & 1 Las Cannon  250<br /> <font color='darkred'>Missile Launchers because they are multipurpose and cheap. 1 Lascannon to take advantage of the Sergeant's ability to up one shot to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 5. </font><br /> <br /> <br /> 1460 - leaving you with 40 points so add back that Power Fist on the 1st Tactical Sergeant and a Teleport Homer.<br /> <br /> Tactics: Cato gives infiltrate to the 1st Tactical and they set up in forward area where you want to be... The devastators set up ideally in a high cover place to get a great field of fire to cover that position.  Librarian and Cato sets up with the Sternguard. The 2nd Tactical moves up to support the first tactical.  The terminators set up in reserve.   The drop pod dread comes in to frag a tank with its melta or heavy squad with its heavy flamer...  <br /> <br /> Now you have an option... the Librarian and sternguard can gate in accurately to the drop pod (if it is within 24") and the terminators can also because of your Locator Beacon on the drop Pod. Or the terminators can reinforce the 1st squad dropping in accurately because of the teleport homer on the sergeant. <br /> <br /> If you don't have an ironclad, the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(505);'>AOBR</span> dreadnought with multi-melta could be dropped in... that gives you 30 more points to play with...<br /> I would then add the deathwind launcher to the drop pod for hoard control and find something to spend the 10 points on... (2 melta bombs?)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> If you feel Lucky... You could take your two rolls on the Telekinesis table:<br /> <br /> 1.Crush<br /> 2.Gate of Infinity<br /> 3.Objuration Mechanicum<br /> 4. Shockwave<br /> 5. Telekinesis Dome<br /> 6. Vortex of Doom<br /> Default: Assail<br /> <br /> You want Gate but this might be a nice combo with Crush or Objuration Mechanicum...]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Upcoming First Tournament - 1500pt</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Hi,<br /> <br /> Welcome to Dakka I would suggest posting this in the army lists subforum for the best results.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>So:<br /> <br /> <b>Cato:</b> 200<br /> <b>Librarian:</b> Gate of Infinity 100<br /> <font color='red'>Gate to take advantage of your other options. </font><br /> <b>Sternguard:</b> 5 w Combi-Melta 150<br /> <b>Terminators:</b> 5                    200<br /> <b>Ironclad w Hvy Flamer & Melta in Drop Pod w Locator Beacon</b> 190<br /> <font color='red'>A regular Dread with MultiMelta and Heavy Flamer is another option for 160</font><br /> <br /> <b>Tactical </b>10 w Combi-Flamer, Melta Gun, Multi-Melta  185<br /> <font color='red'>Short ranged anti-tank because this is infiltrating. </font><br /> <b>Tactical</b> 10 w Plasma, Plasma Cannon 185<br /> <br /> <b>Devastator</b> 10 w 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> & 1 Las Cannon  250<br /> <font color='darkred'>Missile Launchers because they are multipurpose and cheap. 1 Lascannon to take advantage of the Sergeant's ability to up one shot to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 5. </font></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Thank's for the advice. Only problem is I don't have a dreadnought or missile launcher's. The only other models I have are another plasma cannon, 2 heavy bolter's, multi-melta, and 2 more lascannon's.  I have the pieces to give the Drop Pod a deathwind and the rhino to a razorback.<br /> <br /> I won't be getting anything new for a while; however, the dreadnought is first on my list. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Is Cato the best idea? Take a Chapter Master for the Orbital Bombardment.<br /> <br /> Sub out the Heavy Bolter for the Missile Launcher.<br /> <br /> Be careful when using plasma. They tend to blow up in my opinion.<br /> <br /> If you are talking about Sternguard Veteran Units, they all come with Hellfire Rounds. As well as Kraken Rounds, Dragonfire Rounds, and Vengance Rounds. Camp these guys out behind defenses and you have killy stuff.<br /> <br /> Termies come with powerfists and storm bolters. There is no need to post this again, you just need to post upgrades.<br /> <br /> Warning about plasma above. You may want two missile launchers for the anti infantry option.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/517102/5446632.page"><b>Deadfoot wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote class="uncited"><div>So:<br /> <br /> <b>Cato:</b> 200<br /> <b>Librarian:</b> Gate of Infinity 100<br /> <font color='red'>Gate to take advantage of your other options. </font><br /> <b>Sternguard:</b> 5 w Combi-Melta 150<br /> <b>Terminators:</b> 5                    200<br /> <b>Ironclad w Hvy Flamer & Melta in Drop Pod w Locator Beacon</b> 190<br /> <font color='red'>A regular Dread with MultiMelta and Heavy Flamer is another option for 160</font><br /> <br /> <b>Tactical </b>10 w Combi-Flamer, Melta Gun, Multi-Melta  185<br /> <font color='red'>Short ranged anti-tank because this is infiltrating. </font><br /> <b>Tactical</b> 10 w Plasma, Plasma Cannon 185<br /> <br /> <b>Devastator</b> 10 w 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> & 1 Las Cannon  250<br /> <font color='darkred'>Missile Launchers because they are multipurpose and cheap. 1 Lascannon to take advantage of the Sergeant's ability to up one shot to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 5. </font></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Thank's for the advice. Only problem is I don't have a dreadnought or missile launcher's. The only other models I have are another plasma cannon, 2 heavy bolter's, multi-melta, and 2 more lascannon's.  I have the pieces to give the Drop Pod a deathwind and the rhino to a razorback.<br /> <br /> I won't be getting anything new for a while; however, the dreadnought is first on my list. <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The problem with a Lascannon is the cost... however you could easily switch in the plasma cannon and 2 heavy bolters.. just combat squad your devastators... 1 Las +Sgt +3 bolter boys and 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(51);'>HB</span>, 1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PC</span> and 2 bolter boys... you don't want that poor lascannon shooting at infantry and you definitely don't want heavy bolters shooting at a tank.<br /> <br /> The other thing I would recommend is buying an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span>... sooner or later you will face airpower and it is nice.<br /> For now, do you have another 10 marines? If so make up a 3rd tactical squad perhaps a 5-man, Sgt with Combi-melta in the Drop Pod.  The gate +sternguard is going to keep them alive alot longer.]]></description>
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