<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460003.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt FTW. He doesnt even try to be heroic, and he ends up being heroic, while sounding like a man not in his dream job.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460017.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460032.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460052.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt IMO. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460056.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt IMO. Plus Cain has what Gaunt and the others will never have Jurgen


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 Dr. What wrote:
Can I vote Yarrick? He's the only man capable of lasting more than a minute in a fight with Ghazghkull.

Sorry I didn't include him in the poll, kinda spaced him out ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460089.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460729.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt

Yarrick all the way!

But,.. i choose Gaunt,... simply because i havent read a novel where Cain is presented yet ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460784.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
Probably my favorite guard character. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460794.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt Besides that I think I liked Gaunt a bit more anyways. Though both Gaunt and Caine are mary-sues, the fact that Caine tries so hard not to try and still succeeds is somewhat stupid at times and makes him even more mary-sue-ish.
I mean when Gaunt and his men, after losing a gak ton of good characters, achieve something, it is made clear how hard he and his men tried. Caine on the other hand really doesnt want to do anything, probably has a hangover and just stumbles over victory. Its fun to read, but sometimes it just feels too over the top for me to get invested.
Just my 2cents]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460810.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460936.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460959.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5460994.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 chapgrimaldus wrote:
Which commissar has your love and devotion? Just wondering. I personally wish they made a mini of Cain with a set of rules and such


Just use a Commissar model but with the Lord Commissar rules.

On-topic, both are entertaining to read.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461058.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
Anyway, I like Gaunt way more than Cain, though his portrayal since Traitor-General has been pretty ass. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461088.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt that's the book I want to read...just give us a break from Tyranids, and especially Genestealers, for a bit.

That said I think it's only recently the quality of the books has tailed off, the earlier ones are much better. However, there's only one Gaunt book I find dull to read (His Last Command, though the parts where the squad from Traitor General are being debriefed/interrogated are good), so I'm going to have to say I think Gaunt's Ghosts make for the better read.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461137.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
So my vote went to Gaunt, who is a cliche but at least Abnett is transparent about it.

For everyone carrying on about Yarrick -- he is so OTT, he makes both Cain and Gaunt look realistic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5461785.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt 40k.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5462141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5462141.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 Polvilhovoador wrote:
Comissar Holt! Because he got me into 40k.


Who is this guy? Where can i find a bit of fluff about him? Any novl or IG codex?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463161.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463187.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463216.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
Manchu wrote:Sandy Mitchell has Cain talk about himself as not being brave or tough but then all the choices Cain ends up making in tight spots are actually brave and tough. I wish Mitchell would actually write him as a spineless coward rather than a modest hero. It kind of kills the joke that Cain is actually a super wonderful guy.


Not to mention Vail's frequent comments that he is one of the most skilled swordsmen in the segmentum...the only time I can remember him being a genuine coward is in the first short story (can't remember the name - the one at the start of the first omnibus) where his reaction to a Tyranid invasion is to jump in a Salamander and drive as fast as he can away from the fight.

Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
 Polvilhovoador wrote:
Comissar Holt! Because he got me into 40k.


Who is this guy? Where can i find a bit of fluff about him? Any novl or IG codex?


He is from the game Final Liberation. Seeing as he appears in the cutscenes you should try searching Youtube for him. He definitely doesn't mess around.
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 Jimsolo wrote:
I like them both. Coolyo is right, they aren't typical at all, but that's why I like them (except I include Yarrick in with them). I don't want to read about Joe Schmo sci-fi. I can't really decide between Cain or Gaunt, though. Their books are so different. (Although, if the poll were 'which would you rather serve under if you were a guardsman?' the answer would be Cain hands-down.)


I prefer Cain, as for who would I rather server under? Gaunt. He's less likely to use me as a human shield.


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 chapgrimaldus wrote:
I have a suggestion for the Cain lovers, read the short story "The smallest detail" by Sandy Mitchel, it's only a small e-book but really gives you insight to Jurgen's point of view


Wish I could, but I loathe e-books. I wish BL would stop with this exclusive bs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463558.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 Soladrin wrote:


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I have a suggestion for the Cain lovers, read the short story "The smallest detail" by Sandy Mitchel, it's only a small e-book but really gives you insight to Jurgen's point of view


Wish I could, but I loathe e-books. I wish BL would stop with this exclusive bs.


DL Calibre and the e-book then print it off caliber, (BTW The large pic of Jurgen is great now I know he is one ugly sod)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463716.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 chapgrimaldus wrote:
Which commissar has your love and devotion? Just wondering. I personally wish they made a mini of Cain with a set of rules and such


Your poll and your sentence equals 2 different things.


I find Ciaphas more enjoyable to read because of the humor but Gaunt has my devotion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463799.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 Manchu wrote:
Sandy Mitchell has Cain talk about himself as not being brave or tough but then all the choices Cain ends up making in tight spots are actually brave and tough. I wish Mitchell would actually write him as a spineless coward rather than a modest hero. It kind of kills the joke that Cain is actually a super wonderful guy.

So my vote went to Gaunt, who is a cliche but at least Abnett is transparent about it.

For everyone carrying on about Yarrick -- he is so OTT, he makes both Cain and Gaunt look realistic.


I hate Cain for many of the same reasons.

He's by far one of the greatest duelists and shots in the guard, a brilliant tactician who can outmaneuver and defeat superior foes with plans concocted on the fly, a brave hero who will risk his neck for others at personal expense, and he manages to go beyond the impossible by banging such colorful women like Inquisitors, Tech Priests, and retired Sisters of Battle (Who knew that was the type of job you could retire to Hawaii from). Yet Mitchell has the gall to insult my intelligence by tacking on pseudo "flaws" in an attempt to hide this boring Mary Sue of a character as what he is, flaws that are not realistic in their execution, and really only serve as another way to make the character more "likeable".

Yarrick OTT? I dunno, he is a pretty hard as nails Commissar, but he never did anything so brash as actually kicking Ghaz's ass. He has lost every fight they have had, and that was after getting a Power Klaw that let him hit with the force of an avalanche.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463891.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt


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Also to be fair he only slept with Amberly and The heir to some planet. The sister was involved with the administratum guy, and the tech-priest?? She may have been a little out of the norm but still didn't engage in bodily pleasures...cept' snacking a lot. As for Yarrik IMO he was way over the top, "hard as nails" commissars are a dime a dozen with fluff so he is one of the least likeable commissars IMO for lack of originality.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5463897.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt Wh40k needs more sarcastic heroes ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5464714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5464714.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
 Polvilhovoador wrote:
Comissar Holt! Because he got me into 40k.


Who is this guy? Where can i find a bit of fluff about him? Any novl or IG codex?



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5467820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5467820.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 chapgrimaldus wrote:
Which commissar has your love and devotion? Just wondering. I personally wish they made a mini of Cain with a set of rules and such
Both are enjoyable for me for different reasons. I like the wit and banter that Cain has and I like the more grim-darkness of Gaunt and his Ghosts. Also, Cain does have a model:

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 chapgrimaldus wrote:
Dang it's not being made anymore and the mini on ebay costs 200 bucks
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they were a special release and only 500 or so were made. I'm glad I picked mine up years ago on ebay for only $50 at the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469397.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt FW. Possibly customize a valhallen with melta with Jurgen (green stuff beard maybe?) but that won't be for a while lol ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469524.page GMT Re:Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
KingDeath wrote:
We all know that Commissar Holt is the only true commissar.


*SMACK*

COMMISSAR Holt! It needs to be capitalized.

However, I'll go for Old Man Armageddon, the unkillable Sebastian Yarrick. Dude earned the respect of his men. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469587.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt
 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:
 chapgrimaldus wrote:
Which commissar has your love and devotion? Just wondering. I personally wish they made a mini of Cain with a set of rules and such
Both are enjoyable for me for different reasons. I like the wit and banter that Cain has and I like the more grim-darkness of Gaunt and his Ghosts. Also, Cain does have a model:



But so does Gaunt and it won't cost you an arm and leg


Only £18.50 direct from GW]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5469729.page GMT Ciaphas Cain or Ibram Gaunt lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5470490.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518077/5470490.page GMT