<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/15.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5471688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5471688.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5471762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5471762.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? As rigeld2 above mentioned Ordnance does not ignore cover. No reason why you wouldn't get the save. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5471897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5471897.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472367.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
 Sebbyp538 wrote:
Yes I agree. But when I try to support this when I explain to my friend all I can find it saying in the rule book is the direction of the shot comes from the center of the blast marker which dosent help my arguement.


then tell him the kff rule that he's the one giving the cover to all units thats within six inches of the big mek.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472428.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
 Sebbyp538 wrote:
Yes I agree. But when I try to support this when I explain to my friend all I can find it saying in the rule book is the direction of the shot comes from the center of the blast marker which dosent help my arguement.

Doses your opponent have a reason why you wouldn't get save?
You're given a save, nothing in the Basilisk rules takes that save away. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472704.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? KFF is a cover save directionality matters not. Tell him to find the place that says ignores cover, that is the only thing that takes away a kff save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472904.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
The KFF gives you a cover save regardless of where the shot comes from. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5472920.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? kff was within 6 inches can i use the kff ?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519855.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519872.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? KFF. Does it grant cover saves to all models within 6"? If it does, then the enemy and your quad gun get saves. Does it grant cover saves to only friendly models? If this is the case, then no, your quad gun won't get cover saves (because the quad gun is a neutral model, not a friendly model). However, it should be getting saves against shooting because of the ADL or because of your own models around the ADL if the shot comes from some other direction.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519885.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519894.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? faq specifies any units, and friendly vehicles. The blast can land right on a models head and he gets the cover save. same as if he was in area terrain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5519919.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
 grendel083 wrote:
It states "All Units". No mention of Friend or Foe, but a Quad Gun isn't a unit, it's terrain.


It might not be a unit, but it is a model, with a stat line. Terrain doesn't usually have stat lines.
I don't know how the KFF is worded, but other abilities that affect "all models" would affect the Gun Emplacement.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523256.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 grendel083 wrote:
It states "All Units". No mention of Friend or Foe, but a Quad Gun isn't a unit, it's terrain.


It might not be a unit, but it is a model, with a stat line. Terrain doesn't usually have stat lines.
I don't know how the KFF is worded, but other abilities that affect "all models" would affect the Gun Emplacement.

I quoted how its worded (and you quoted that quote).
"All units" so the quad gun isn't going to benefit.
The complete rule is in the Ork FAQ if you'd like to look it over, they made a couple of changes so added the whole rule in there. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523420.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? KFF. I was just also reminding the OP that sometimes wargear/psychic powers/whatever might affect the Quad; you have to read each rule individually and not just think, "Well, my KFF doesn't work on it, so nothing does!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523604.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5523616.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528867.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528888.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528891.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
 Elric Greywolf wrote:
 grendel083 wrote:
It states "All Units". No mention of Friend or Foe, but a Quad Gun isn't a unit, it's terrain.


It might not be a unit, but it is a model, with a stat line. Terrain doesn't usually have stat lines.
I don't know how the KFF is worded, but other abilities that affect "all models" would affect the Gun Emplacement.


A gun emplacement is a battlefield debris and is found under such terrain rules.

IT is not a piece of terrain. Buildings have AV but this does not make them vehicles. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5528921.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
Bloodhorror wrote:
So things that target units don't work on it, but things that target models would?

No, it's not a model either.
You're given permission to shoot at it, otherwise you couldn't so that - any more than you could shoot a hill. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5529058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5529058.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5530309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5530309.page GMT how does the kff on the big mek work against a ordanance large blast barrage weapon?
tgf wrote:
Quad gun does not get a save, you realize you can go take control and use your opponents quad gun if you get over there. It is a piece of terrain, neither friendly nor enemy. Hell you can shoot your own quad gun should you feel so inclined.


I have done this. I have infuriated opponents by doing this.

Technically, it is actually possible to shoot the quad gun with the quad gun. (not a different one - I mean have the quad gun shoot itself in the most literal sense) - in which case you only need to wound twice to destroy it.

RAI/HYWPI though, it's a toss up between being TFG and having a lengthy rules debate.

Oh, and before you ask:

The reason it is possible is because you're not shooting at the squad manning the gun - so you're not targeting friendlies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5530658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/518739/5530658.page GMT