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Would this comply with fluff? From what I've read there are just a few Fallen scattered across the galaxy. And would they have all the Chaos mutations? I would think so due to the warpstorm they were sucked into during the final moments of Caliban.

All replies appreciated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492011.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army? DV set to be a Fallen. There are several instances of Fallen becoming leaders of Chaos Warbands, so this would work fine. The whole group wouldnt be Fallen though, as its rare for that many of them to group together. If you add a Sorcerer you could make him a Fallen Librarian. Those were rare but not unheard of. Generally id try to make some of the characters in your army the Fallen, not every man.

As for mutations, some are, some arent. Some gave themselves to Chaos, some just want to hide, some want to atone for their sins. Theyre all different.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492021.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492029.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492059.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492105.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? DA dex said 'they fight warriors of the imperium and chaos with equal ferocity' or something to that extent, leading me to believe a third party took them. I personally want to make up a small (750 point or so) war and of the fallen using cypher and some FW 'heresy' pattern armor and say they fell to Malal so they can side with anyone as Allies of Convienence except chaos, to which they are Come the Apocalypse. Just my outlook on it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492161.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492183.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army?


Spoiler:
The book is about the Dark Angels and the problem with their "secrets". Now, I won't spoil the entire plot but the important bit for the post: The Dark Angels were completely outmaneuvered by Cypher and his gang. They pretty much had an army of rebels / renegades / cultists in a base, the DA went in for the kill, find out from a survivor of the attack that they were completely fooled. When they return to their planet, they find out that Cipher + other fallens used the distraction to do some stuff I better not spoil.


So, in short, if you are not planning to read the spoiler thing, yeah, they can have an army And I highly recommend that book. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492222.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492222.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492230.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army? DA are the traitors? They hunt them down so no one would ever learn this.

In any case, we need to remember that if we accept the new megalegion sizes from HH, then the number of fallen increases dramatically too. They were about half of the DA legion, right? (Or third? I can't be bothered to check.) In old fluff legions used to be about 10 000 marines, now they are over 100 000. This means that there would've been originally tens of thousands of Fallen. Many have died or to been captured, but I'm sure thousands of them still remain. If we consider the model count of a standard CSM army, it sounds perfectly feasible they could all be Fallen. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492234.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army?
For a Legion that numbered in the tens or hundreds of thousands, just a few could be hundreds I guess.

In the Short story anthology Deathwing thereis a story called Unforgiven about a Fallen who has managed to wrangle a planet from Imperial rule and taken it over, he has surrounded himself with the pdf, who have become his own personal army, so I guess your Cultist troops, and there is also the Angel of Blades.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492305.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5492918.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army?
 Crimson wrote:
Maybe the 'Fallen' are actually loyal and the regular DA are the traitors? They hunt them down so no one would ever learn this.

In any case, we need to remember that if we accept the new megalegion sizes from HH, then the number of fallen increases dramatically too. They were about half of the DA legion, right? (Or third? I can't be bothered to check.) In old fluff legions used to be about 10 000 marines, now they are over 100 000. This means that there would've been originally tens of thousands of Fallen. Many have died or to been captured, but I'm sure thousands of them still remain. If we consider the model count of a standard CSM army, it sounds perfectly feasible they could all be Fallen.


I am not to sure about 10s of thousands of fallen, more like a few thousand. All of the Fallen had to come from the DA that were stationed on Caliban. Most of the DA would have been dispersed out in the crusade. Also it is not known how many DA on Caliban remained loyal to the Lion when the fighting started. The other factor reducing the number of fallen is that they were dispersed throughout time both forward and backward.

Certainly there is no reason not to make a CSM army themed around the fallen but I dont think there are thousands of them roaming around in M41.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5494493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5494493.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army?
JWhex wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
Maybe the 'Fallen' are actually loyal and the regular DA are the traitors? They hunt them down so no one would ever learn this.

In any case, we need to remember that if we accept the new megalegion sizes from HH, then the number of fallen increases dramatically too. They were about half of the DA legion, right? (Or third? I can't be bothered to check.) In old fluff legions used to be about 10 000 marines, now they are over 100 000. This means that there would've been originally tens of thousands of Fallen. Many have died or to been captured, but I'm sure thousands of them still remain. If we consider the model count of a standard CSM army, it sounds perfectly feasible they could all be Fallen.


I am not to sure about 10s of thousands of fallen, more like a few thousand. All of the Fallen had to come from the DA that were stationed on Caliban. Most of the DA would have been dispersed out in the crusade. Also it is not known how many DA on Caliban remained loyal to the Lion when the fighting started. The other factor reducing the number of fallen is that they were dispersed throughout time both forward and backward.

Certainly there is no reason not to make a CSM army themed around the fallen but I dont think there are thousands of them roaming around in M41.


I tend to agree here... There were only a handfull of Dark Angels on Caliban at the time... Exact number is unknown to me or maybe to everyone... Make a fallen army if you wish,.. but keep the actual fallen to a minimum... Id say the leader,.. a squad of chosen and maybe a terminator or 2.. keep it to the most important individuals of your army...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5495961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5495961.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? DA fluff has a sizeable percentage of the Legion being the Fallen.
However, even if you accept the HH series and its numbers increase, tens of thousands of warriors scattered across 10,000+ years and a billion planets still makes it exceedingly rare for more than one or two to be found together.

IIRC, normally at most a squad is found together, and that's already exceedingly rare. Only Cypher has ever been able to gather anything approaching a warband size, and no one knows what his game is or where his allegiances lie. It's one of 40K's cooler mysteries, I think. It should remain that way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5496018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5496018.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? I've always liked the idea that the fallen may have a somewhat good idea of where other fallen are operating (having some sort of link or underground network) and that's one of the reasons the unforgiven want them to repent.

As for the fallen I think how much they knew on Caliban varied greatly. Some like Luther will have know that they were working with chaos. Other less so.
And again later the Fallen aren't a uniform force but a number of individuals all trapped somewhere along the line between chaos and loyalist.
The traitor legions doesn't really trust them since they didn't join up with Horus, and if they tried going back to the imperium the unforgiven would torture them to death.
I'd say in this crapsack universe they're pretty much the most screwed people there are.
And selling yourself to chaos is about the only way out of that seat that they got (not that the legions will trust you anyway but then again they don't trust each other either).
Also while the chaos gods may mark the legions in a specific way their areas are quite broad and they are inherently chaotic.
Nurgle could for an example be ageing or death rather than disease.

as for Cypher he may be a highly regarded fallen but remember the words of the fallen on the interrogation table that has been in ever DA codex: "I have no lord or master".

and as for the scarcity of the fallen, it hardly matters if they are 10.000 they have been scattered all over the galaxy which is over 100.000.000.000 worlds. spanning an expanse of roughly 8.000.000.000 square lightyears. and also they are scatttered though time meaning that they may pop up any time from the warpstorm to the death of the universe. and some might have ended up in vacuum and died other may have died as the planet was torn apart or killed by the warpstorm itself. and then we have the unforgiven who have been hunting them for 10.000 years. nah having the leaders as true fallen and the others as later recruits is the best bet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5497012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5497012.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5498267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5498267.page GMT Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5500238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5500238.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5509362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5509362.page GMT Re:Do the Fallen have an army?
Normally they operate in 1s and 2s but thats just whats normal, not absolute.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5512601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/520040/5512601.page GMT