They are big and can give other units complete LOS obscurity.

They also have 3 hull points, so they are more likely to be around at the end of the game.

10 men means you can transport grots, incubi, wracks or wyches in greater numbers than 5.

a lot of people are taking autocannons, missile launchers or other low strength weapons.

1 Glance no longer has a chance to kill a raider and a pen from an AP3+ weapon only has a 1/3 chance of blowing it up.

Raiders are great at blocking LOS to Venoms and Reavers which both need it.

Lol, not sure if you are serious or not but Dark Eldar don't care about Hull Points because they blow up like 90% of the time when shot at.

Raider + Splinter rack w/ 10 warriors all with splinter rifles snap fire for TL6

Dark Lances are AP2, making them much better AT than a missile launcher which you note in your 3rd line but somehow ignored in your first line.

2. ADLs dont move, raiders do. A raider can be a mobile LOS block for venoms or jetbikes.

3. I wonder how you only having a raider surive to the end of the game is relevent when you say you dont take raider because they are garabage. "I have never had a cronos surivie to the end of the game(took one twice ever) o man their durability must suck."

4 You cannot put any grotesques in a venom, and a large squad will cost a ton and be very slow.

I take wracks, they are good scoring troops that start with FNP, T4 and can be tough as hell to get off an objective when they gtg.

5. By low strength weapons I was refering to multilasers, telsa spam, scatter lasers, psibacks, assault cannons, big shootas. People are hull stripping rhinos and even with the lower armor and open topped i lose most of my vehicles to hull stripping too. (about 60%, 40% blow up). Autocannons and the like will generate 3 pens for every glance and only 1 pen in 3 is likely to blow one up. That means that for every 6 shots that hit, you strip 4 hull points and get one explode. Averages being what they are a lot of raiders are going to survive till the 3rd hull point is gone.

6. Sure lascannons will do a number on a raider, venom or ravager. Most people dont run enough lascannons to shoot down 10 vehicles in a turn.

Few run enough lascannons to take out even 2-3, so they end up using other weapons.

Plasma guns, melta guns and multi meltas are all very short ranged.

bunch of math

A meltagun will kill a raider very quickly, then again it will also kill a land raider very quickly. I dont see how comparing a a raiders lack of suriveability to melta guns make them suck when almost all vehicles die to melta almost as easily.

Raiders aren't as good as Venoms imo, but they do have a purpose. They certainly aren't garbage.

I like them as gunboats with warriors with splinter racks and nightshields. The nightshield helps stay out of rapid fire and melta range from infantry units.

I also use them when I run my HQ with grots. I've found that I prefer 4 grots in a raider over larger squads on foot.

Plus, they come with DLs. Dark Lances aren't great, but they are still handy to have on a mobile platform.

bunch of math

I'm genuinely curious what sort of anti tank you run in at the 1850/2k level.

Unfortunately Wyches only destroy vehicles in the assault phase, so whatever gets out has pretty much free reign on your opponent's turn.

They're still okay, but it's not ideal.

so at least we can agree that the higher the point value, the more useful (or less bad ) raiders are.