<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "eldar list draft no.1"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net eldar list draft no.1 hq eldrad in a wave serpent with 9 dragons with exarch, firepike, tank hunter and crack shot
10 avengers in a wave serpent with shield and sword exarch
10 rangers updgraded to pathfinders
2 fireprisms
wraithlord with 2 flamers, sword and rokkit launcher
total 1326pts im saving the last 200 pts or so for some of the new models
but what do you think so far ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517265.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 FDs to be mroe than a suicide squad then I recommend sticking a PL in that squad to eat enemy firepower when they* pop out.

The Wraithlord doesn't really fit with this force... You might be able to get away with running it behind the tank that Eldrad is in so that it doesn't derp out and to provide it with a steady cover save. If you're going to do that then drop the EML. You'll need to be running, rather than shooting, if you hope to keep close, like within 6 inches, of the tank. Use those saved points wisely.

You are low on scoring units. Only one objective can be held per scoring unit so you could only hold two maximum as it stands. It may be worthwhile to split your pathfinders into two squads so that you have at least three scoring units. Consider downgrading them to rangers so that you can field more bodies in each squad too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517291.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517291.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
 warpspider89 wrote:
If you want your FDs to be mroe than a suicide squad then I recommend sticking a PL in that squad to eat enemy firepower when they* pop out.

The Wraithlord doesn't really fit with this force... You might be able to get away with running it behind the tank that Eldrad is in so that it doesn't derp out and to provide it with a steady cover save. If you're going to do that then drop the EML. You'll need to be running, rather than shooting, if you hope to keep close, like within 6 inches, of the tank. Use those saved points wisely.

You are low on scoring units. Only one objective can be held per scoring unit so you could only hold two maximum as it stands. It may be worthwhile to split your pathfinders into two squads so that you have at least three scoring units. Consider downgrading them to rangers so that you can field more bodies in each squad too.

as for the wraithlord not fitting in it is designed to give terror to all the enemies as last time i ran him everyone was terrified i liked that
but ok with the no rokkit launcher. which phoenix lord should go with the dragons instead of eldrad\

ty so far]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517400.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 CC with his AP2 attacks & the possibility of smashing at S10. On the other hand Karandas is an even bigger beast in CC and he convers the Stealth rule to any squad he joins. He may even confer it to the transport though I am not sure that that is the case. I favor Fuegan but they're both top dogs.

Remember that the WL has a chance of derping out if not in 6" of a psycher.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517428.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 which lords are they
forgot word like if they are scorpion lord]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517512.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 FD Lord and SS Lord in that order]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517520.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 as for the scorpion i would not understand as the squad is designed to shoot some stuff get back in and fly 36' to next target not engage in cc
but im very proud of my list as this is the only list ive ever made without people saying its really
what do you think and what tactics should i enlist
so far you have said
hq phoenix lord
9 Fire dragons with exarch and fire pike with both powers in a wave serpent
5 rangers
5 rangers
Dire avengers in wave sepent with sword and shield
2 fire prisms
maybe wraithlord but without launcher with sword and flamers(flamers are free)
did i miss anything]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517533.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 FDs are going to be getting up close and personal. They can't fire and then get back into the vehicle. They need to be able to survive at least one round of shooting. A pheonix lord has a 2+ save that is rerollable with Fortune. That allows your squad to take a ton of pain as opposed to what it would take if they were hitting the Fire Dragons or Eldrad directly. Being able to survive and maybe even win in CC is important for the same reason: you don't (basically) automatically lose your precious FDs when whatever is in those land raiders gets out and comes after you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517539.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 but wheres the fortune coming from you didnt include a farseer in my list
and Wow a 2+ inv thats always helpful(or is it a armour save)
and definitely correct about having to stand around for return fire
thank god you thought of that
can they split into 2 squads if there is 2 vechicles or do they have to choose which one they want to shoot(or should i just make them seperate squads of five with FD special char and farseer then fortune both squads)
who should be at front to take brunt of the fire
can i re-embark after firing
thanks heaps ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517554.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 PL. Thats the problem. I meant for the PL & Eldrad to roll together with the FD squad. It is a 2+ armor save. No prob about the help man. I'm just making a couple small suggestions. I figure you know how to use your forces already and this is to just make minor adjustments to get a little mroe out of them ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517566.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 so i was wary about relying on eldrads power then having to use a regular farseer
but awesome how about re-embarking and other parts of list
so should they be in seperate 5 squads with eldrad in one FDs lord in other and eldrad fortunes bot squad then guides or in 1 squad then he can use doom guid and fortune.
yes i have been playing for 5 years but never as a serious eldar player and im a bit worried about a MC tyranid list that my friend is using dont know exact components yet i will post them when i know
thank you so much so far]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517586.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517611.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517709.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1
GTKA666 wrote:
No way they are taking out Eldrad. He is an important character in both the fluff and in an army. They might screw with him because he is that powerful, but won't remove him altogether.

yeah i would hope there is an epic siege in which they recover his spirit stone and become a wraithseer(wraithlord who is a machine with a spirit stone from a fallen farseer)
but if you think he wont be taken out i will keep him as i trust you guys
thanks so far]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517749.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5517749.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 The avenger exarch should have the double guns and blade storm.
10 pathfinders is a bit overkill in my opinion and a waste of points.
I'd also consider using just one fire prism, the double shot can be useful but if you're just getting 2 for that rule i'd pass.
I would actually keep the wraithlord just for the fact that they're fun and that's what hobbies are all about.
With these left over points, like warpspider said you need more scoring units, I would recommend jet bikes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5518056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5518056.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
I fail to see why Eldrad should be removed from the wave serpent or why the Dragons should be reduced in strength if they are going to be used as a mini-deathstar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5518067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5518067.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
 warpspider89 wrote:
Do not drop a fire prism. The redundancy is vital as well as the versatility. I assure you that the collective wisdom of Eldar players on this website vastly supports the use of at least two fire prisms if any fire prisms are to be fielded.

I fail to see why Eldrad should be removed from the wave serpent or why the Dragons should be reduced in strength if they are going to be used as a mini-deathstar.


If I run prisms, it's always 2 Prisms. Always.

I wouldn't put Eldrad in a wave serpent. You can't get out and then cast fortune as it's cast at the start of the movement phase and he can't cast eldar farseer powers in a wave serpent due to the eldar FAQ....
So, so you can't cast in, you also can't get out and cast. If your dragons leap out, there isn't a way eldrad can fortune them till next turn. The most you could do is try to roll for invisibility from telepathy or the 4++ from divination - we can still do rule book powers in a transport.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5518108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5518108.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
PredaKhaine wrote:
 warpspider89 wrote:
Do not drop a fire prism. The redundancy is vital as well as the versatility. I assure you that the collective wisdom of Eldar players on this website vastly supports the use of at least two fire prisms if any fire prisms are to be fielded.

I fail to see why Eldrad should be removed from the wave serpent or why the Dragons should be reduced in strength if they are going to be used as a mini-deathstar.


If I run prisms, it's always 2 Prisms. Always.

I wouldn't put Eldrad in a wave serpent. You can't get out and then cast fortune as it's cast at the start of the movement phase and he can't cast eldar farseer powers in a wave serpent due to the eldar FAQ....
So, so you can't cast in, you also can't get out and cast. If your dragons leap out, there isn't a way eldrad can fortune them till next turn. The most you could do is try to roll for invisibility from telepathy or the 4++ from divination - we can still do rule book powers in a transport.

thats well i guess i understand the 10 rangers are overkill and puttung eldrad in a wave serpent would be a death sentence since he cant cast fortune and conceal with guide so he has to survive for 1 turn but i dont understand why he cant cast powers when he gets out and yes 2 fire prisms or no prisms is what i think(and arnt powers cast in shooting phase)
i guess i will just hold for the new codex to come out as we might lose some units or gain better ones but i will post a draft list no.2 when the codex comes out so please help me then
until then thanks for all the help you have given me ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5520838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5520838.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 WS or you can cast guide and fortune on the WS itself. You CAN'T cast any powers out side of those two things. People take things too literally and forget that you can still cast powers on people inside your own tank or on the tank itself. The thing you can't do is have a mobile Eldrad casting Fortune on every unit he drives by. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5522109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5522109.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1
GTKA666 wrote:
To clear up the casting of fortune. You CAN cast it on the unit Edrad is with IN the WS or you can cast guide and fortune on the WS itself. You CAN'T cast any powers out side of those two things. People take things too literally and forget that you can still cast powers on people inside your own tank or on the tank itself. The thing you can't do is have a mobile Eldrad casting Fortune on every unit he drives by.

Eldar FAQ wrote:
Q:The Farseer Psychic Powers rules state that they do not require the Eldar Psyker to have line of sight to the target. Does this mean that they can be used by an Eldar psyker embarked on a transport? (p28)
A:No.


This stops it dead. We can't cast eldar farseer powers in a WS because of this - so no fortune, guide, doom, mind war or eldritch storm.

We can still cast BRB powers while embarked.

The reason we can't use fortune effectively is that it a start of the turn power - at the start of the turn Eldrad is embarked so he can't cast it. If you get out, then you've missed the chance to cast it.
Eldrad in a transport is hard to use effectively. If you want drive by fortunes, then your best bet is a jetseer.


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hiveof_chimera wrote:
thats well i guess i understand the 10 rangers are overkill and puttung eldrad in a wave serpent would be a death sentence since he cant cast fortune and conceal with guide so he has to survive for 1 turn but i dont understand why he cant cast powers when he gets out and yes 2 fire prisms or no prisms is what i think(and arnt powers cast in shooting phase)
i guess i will just hold for the new codex to come out as we might lose some units or gain better ones but i will post a draft list no.2 when the codex comes out so please help me then
until then thanks for all the help you have given me


Eldar farseer powers are conditional as to when they can be used - IIRC you can get out and Mind war/Eldritch storm, but doom, guide and fortune are start of turn powers.

We can still do conceal in a tank - thats a warlock power so it gets round that stupid bit of faq. 10 rangers isn't overkill - it's damn useful. Have them support your line and use them to cherry pick sergeants, powerfists and banner bearers out of squads - then smash your wraithlord into the same squad and laugh as they can't hurt it at all...

Don't give up! We can still do really horrible things to people with our dated 'dex ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5522142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5522142.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 WS. Read it over again. You always have LOS on the unit inside the transport hence you can guide them and fortune and then pop out. I have discussed this at length with a GK player and an Ork player. The ork player is a judge and if for casting fortune and guide while in the transport and had some ways of justifying it, but I forget.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5524596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5524596.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 faq seems like it answered too generally. I think they meant 'can't cast guide/fortune etc out of a transport.' What they wrote is a catch all statement that playing strict raw stops anything.
eldar faq wrote:
'Does this mean that they can be used by an Eldar psyker embarked on a transport? (p28)
A:No. '

If you could ask your friend again that'd be great


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5529519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5529519.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1 WS. Since it doesn't explicitly say that we can't guide/fortune while we are inside and on our own unit inside then we can have fun there. That statement is broad, but the context in which it is used allows us to cast guide and fortune upon the very unit the farseer/Eldrad is with.

Another way to look at it is if a unit with infiltrate is inside a transport then the transport can infiltrate. If a Warlock is inside a transport then everything, but destructor is still on. So if abilities can still happen inside a WS why can't you cast psychic abilities upon your own unit? That's another train of thought for ya. The reason as to why psychers can't cast through fire points is to prevent a battlewagon full of burna boys, but at a psycher level.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5529618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5529618.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 BRB powers require LOS, but the Eldar powers did not require line of sight. So you had the eternal farseer inside WS dooming/guiding stuff outside it's skimming metal lunch box.

Long story short - you can guide/fortune your ride and your squad whilst inside the WS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530216.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
Pathfinders are a bit weak. I would recommend using smaller ranger squads to hold multiple objectives and to have more flexibility in shooting if you want to use them.

War walkers are without question the best codex model at the moment.

Good luck

-S]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530238.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
serathnal wrote:
Only Phoenix lords of the specific aspect can lead aspect squads. Karandas isn't an option in the wave.

Pathfinders are a bit weak. I would recommend using smaller ranger squads to hold multiple objectives and to have more flexibility in shooting if you want to use them.

War walkers are without question the best codex model at the moment.

Good luck

-S


incorrect. You can put Fuegan with Harlequins or any other squad. What does not happen is that the exarch powers don't go to the squad unless it is with their aspect.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530934.page GMT eldar list draft no.1
serathnal wrote:
Only Phoenix lords of the specific aspect can lead aspect squads. Karandas isn't an option in the wave.

Pathfinders are a bit weak. I would recommend using smaller ranger squads to hold multiple objectives and to have more flexibility in shooting if you want to use them.

War walkers are without question the best codex model at the moment.

Good luck

-S


Phoenix lords can only lead aspect warriors of their own aspect. So I can't put Fuegan with banshees etc.
The 'dex doesn't say anything about them not being able to lead squads like guardians, wraithguard and harlequins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5530979.page GMT Re:eldar list draft no.1
-S]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5531483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5531483.page GMT eldar list draft no.1 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5531519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/521606/5531519.page GMT