Traejun wrote:
Average space marine dropped into today. He dies. Fast.

Ultramarines shoot you. Fast. As a heretic.

P.S. There are other chapters in the 40K universe.

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Honestly Cremite sounds a lot like composite Armor , and the impact would more then likely rupture his organs or shatter his reinforced bones

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Unless he gets hit by a SABOT. Round from an Abrams tank

 Psienesis wrote:

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Honestly Cremite sounds a lot like composite Armor , and the impact would more then likely rupture his organs or shatter his reinforced bones

"Sounds a lot like" is not the same thing as "is equivalent to". Like I said, it's one of those things we simply can't know, as it doesn't actually exist. The sabot round might blow him to pieces. It might just irritate him, and if he has a Power Fist, then he's going to pull a tank apart with his hands, and that will cause many, many people in the armed forces to gak themselves silly. Or it may blow him into paste, and then the armed forces will be like "Well, that was interesting. Job's done."

 Psienesis wrote:
Low Gothic is a mix of English, all of the European languages, and various Pacific Islander dialects... developed over 38,000 years between now and then. Notice how hard Old English is to decipher from modern English? Yeah, now add another 37,000 years of development.

High Gothic descends from the language used to write tech manuals during the Dark Age of Technology.... so it might be Chinese, for all we know.

It only appears to us as English and Latin because that is, as GW has said, the closest approximation to a recognizable language they can present it to us with.

 RoadToRuin wrote:


If I was sent to a ultramarine fortress monastery I demand to speak to the highest ranking marine in sight and tell him I was sent under orders of the emperor to commander the largest amount of space marines I could muster and rally at Terra. When they ask why I will say I was sent through a one way time machine into the past and than warn them about the greatest disaster to befall humanity "You see we have to get there as fast as possible before it happens, holy Terra is going to fall under siege by Horus who has fallen to heresy and hes going to try to kill the emperor unless we get there in time" using my ace acting skills to feign total shock that I was sent to the future not the past. Eventually when an inquisitor comes to question me I will tell'em "I'm no heretic everytime I pray to the emperor I roll a six"

 Psienesis wrote:


However, I don't he will go into an immediate killing frenzy, as Im pretty sure he'd recognize that he's amongst a civilian population and not under immediate threat.

 Psienesis wrote:
What is an Empire State Trooper?

 RoadToRuin wrote:
Depending on where he lands I would guess the imperial cult would be up and thriving in couple days, after the language barriers is broken (I'm sure that modern cryptographers and linguistic experts could help him get his words across) and tech would thrive probably. Ever notice how much the average high school education could improve the world if we sent even one person back say a thousand years, well yeah (Bonus points for a tech marine). Humanity would be on the fast track to success, I mean who isn't going to pitch in when a giant in nigh destructible armor descends from the sky speaking a strange language preaching with imperial fervor about the emperor and humanities destiny.

If I was sent to a ultramarine fortress monastery I demand to speak to the highest ranking marine in sight and tell him I was sent under orders of the emperor to commander the largest amount of space marines I could muster and rally at Terra. When they ask why I will say I was sent through a one way time machine into the past and than warn them about the greatest disaster to befall humanity "You see we have to get there as fast as possible before it happens, holy Terra is going to fall under siege by Horus who has fallen to heresy and hes going to try to kill the emperor unless we get there in time" using my ace acting skills to feign total shock that I was sent to the future not the past. Eventually when an inquisitor comes to question me I will tell'em "I'm no heretic everytime I pray to the emperor I roll a six"

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:


However, I don't he will go into an immediate killing frenzy, as Im pretty sure he'd recognize that he's amongst a civilian population and not under immediate threat.

but those civilians are heretics who do not worship the immortal god emperor. When he can't find any signs of the imperial cult he would go into cleanse mode until some nation commits a huge amount of manpower

 Psienesis wrote:
Low Gothic is a mix of English, all of the European languages, and various Pacific Islander dialects... developed over 38,000 years between now and then. Notice how hard Old English is to decipher from modern English? Yeah, now add another 37,000 years of development.

High Gothic descends from the language used to write tech manuals during the Dark Age of Technology.... so it might be Chinese, for all we know.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
I like how all of you just assume someone would get the chance of a perfect shot at a space marine. Or that someone would even get the chance of shooting at him. Or that all conclusions lead to a Space Marine being killed.

 rems01 wrote:
A 50.cal ain't gonna penetrate a marines armour. A 50. cal is a heavy stubber, those have an ap value of 5.

Marines are nigh invulnerable to small arms fire, it's going to take anti tank weapons. Hell they shrug off autocanon shots as often as not as those are equivalent to tank cannons.

Ernestas wrote:
As I see is that a larger caliber have better chance to penetrate this armor. Power armor have its weak spots (joints or eyes) and it can be weakened after surviving few good impacts. Even if space marine can deflect an autocannon hit to his chest it doesn't mean that it's wise to try to repeat that. Same with bolters. It can kill him instantly if it's aimed accurately enough to his armor's weak spots with sustained accuracy. If not, front of his armor will shrug off hits and thus making space marine a very hard to kill in a range fight.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
And what makes you assume everyone would want to kill him?
What makes you think he will kill everyone he sees? What makes all of you think violence is the first conclusion to seeing someone from the future/a fantasy world?

Ernestas wrote:
We are speaking here about super-human with immense technological edge and on top of that, we have combination of skill and experience that will have no match on this pacifistic planet.

JWhex wrote:

Ernestas wrote:
We are speaking here about super-human with immense technological edge and on top of that, we have combination of skill and experience that will have no match on this pacifistic planet.

I am wondering what planet you are posting from because during the 20th century estimates of war dead and genocides are over 100 million maybe as high as 140 million.

I really wonder why so many people believe that a single space marine is so powerful, it just goes way beyond how the background is presented. The armor is not perfect, it has weak spots at the joints and external cabling that can be damaged. It seems like people are so invested in the space marines that it is just unthinkable to them that current large calibre weapons could take them out. For those of you using the ap value to claim that a particular weapon or its hypothesized equivalent wont kill a marine I would like to let you know my lasguns have a high ap value and still kill marines on a regular basis. Enough AP - will kill a marine, you can rely on it.

In the rules and in the background material marines are regularly taken out by weapons far weaker than you would find on a modern attack helicopter.

PredaKhaine wrote:
If I went to the 41st millenium - I'd be shot. Tortured for any information I had, then shot again.

JWhex wrote:

Ernestas wrote:
We are speaking here about super-human with immense technological edge and on top of that, we have combination of skill and experience that will have no match on this pacifistic planet.

I am wondering what planet you are posting from because during the 20th century estimates of war dead and genocides are over 100 million maybe as high as 140 million.

 Selym wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
If I went to the 41st millenium - I'd be shot. Tortured for any information I had, then shot again.

Pretty much my take, too.

Ernestas wrote:

JWhex wrote:

Ernestas wrote:
We are speaking here about super-human with immense technological edge and on top of that, we have combination of skill and experience that will have no match on this pacifistic planet.

I am wondering what planet you are posting from because during the 20th century estimates of war dead and genocides are over 100 million maybe as high as 140 million.

I was speaking about present and only ones who can project some considerable power if needed. Only ones who can do that is Western world, Russia and the East. I'm not sure about China and Japan. Sadly I can observe how weak NATO is, shackled with politics and pathetic budget. That little experience we have remaining in warfare despite having world full of opportunities. Only USA is different, but even they can't claim to be militaristic nation due to their populace. We have begun to value our personal well-being above ideas. Due to that, even USA can't be considered as militaristic nation. Their way of thinking is more of Imperialistic one (in a way, Europe thinks similarly with its isolationist policies) rather than militaristic one. Of course, they have shades of both, but is it sufficient to claim that they are militaristic and imperialistic nation? Even if we can, we in any way are just pathetic considered to most if not all famous Imperial guard regiments. Our martial power and way of thinking is far more similar to PDF's one.

Ernestas wrote:

JWhex wrote:

Ernestas wrote:
We are speaking here about super-human with immense technological edge and on top of that, we have combination of skill and experience that will have no match on this pacifistic planet.

I am wondering what planet you are posting from because during the 20th century estimates of war dead and genocides are over 100 million maybe as high as 140 million.

I was speaking about present and only ones who can project some considerable power if needed. Only ones who can do that is Western world, Russia and the East. I'm not sure about China and Japan. Sadly I can observe how weak NATO is, shackled with politics and pathetic budget. That little experience we have remaining in warfare despite having world full of opportunities. Only USA is different, but even they can't claim to be militaristic nation due to their populace. We have begun to value our personal well-being above ideas. Due to that, even USA can't be considered as militaristic nation. Their way of thinking is more of Imperialistic one (in a way, Europe thinks similarly with its isolationist policies) rather than militaristic one. Of course, they have shades of both, but is it sufficient to claim that they are militaristic and imperialistic nation? Even if we can, we in any way are just pathetic considered to most if not all famous Imperial guard regiments. Our martial power and way of thinking is far more similar to PDF's one.

JWhex wrote:

Ernestas wrote:
We are speaking here about super-human with immense technological edge and on top of that, we have combination of skill and experience that will have no match on this pacifistic planet.

I am wondering what planet you are posting from because during the 20th century estimates of war dead and genocides are over 100 million maybe as high as 140 million.

I really wonder why so many people believe that a single space marine is so powerful, it just goes way beyond how the background is presented. The armor is not perfect, it has weak spots at the joints and external cabling that can be damaged. It seems like people are so invested in the space marines that it is just unthinkable to them that current large calibre weapons could take them out. For those of you using the ap value to claim that a particular weapon or its hypothesized equivalent wont kill a marine I would like to let you know my lasguns have a high ap value and still kill marines on a regular basis. Enough AP - will kill a marine, you can rely on it.

In the rules and in the background material marines are regularly taken out by weapons far weaker than you would find on a modern attack helicopter.

 Selym wrote:
Because this guy will have a gun and probably a feth hueg combat blade/chainsaw. Someone (probably the police) will try to disarm him. He won't drop the gun, so they'll be forced to use some "force" to make him drop his weapons.

Ernestas wrote:


A lot of strange and disturbing stuff about war, culture and politics.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Because this guy will have a gun and probably a feth hueg combat blade/chainsaw. Someone (probably the police) will try to disarm him. He won't drop the gun, so they'll be forced to use some "force" to make him drop his weapons.

You think police will try to disarm someone holding a chainsword and a futuristic blocky rifle with as imposing a figure as an Astartes? Lets assume I'm a smart person, the way I see it, I would try to establish a form of communication between him first. Do you disagree?

 Traejun wrote:
No.

If I'm a cop, and I see some 7'6" dude in a massive suit of armor... with a chainsword and massive gun... I'm shooting. And I'mma keep shooting until I'm dead or I run out of bullets.

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Traejun wrote:
No.

If I'm a cop, and I see some 7'6" dude in a massive suit of armor... with a chainsword and massive gun... I'm shooting. And I'mma keep shooting until I'm dead or I run out of bullets.

Why?

 Selym wrote:

 LumenPraebeo wrote:

 Traejun wrote:
No.

If I'm a cop, and I see some 7'6" dude in a massive suit of armor... with a chainsword and massive gun... I'm shooting. And I'mma keep shooting until I'm dead or I run out of bullets.

Why?

'Cause Muhrica!

Ernestas wrote:

I believe that it was my fault of not empathising more on that I'm speaking of primary traits of nations. I put them in a light of true militarism and Imperialism and compare them from that point of view. Also, I should have empathised more that my primary concern is not actions of our armies (which in my same example, vietnam, was at very least- decent), but support of home front. My primary concern is civilian support and their view on military which makes me to say that we would be unable to engage into anything serious due to their poor tolerance of hardships. By ''we" I mean american and european civilian population. ''We'' live in our own worlds far from any conflict and war, that's why I call us pacifists. Peace makes us soft and we will always be in trouble then we will be rudely awakened by something huge as WWs.

 Shlazaor wrote:
First, a cop who sees a space marine is not going to shoot him. He's going to back away and call for support. Cops are dumbasses with a gun they are trained officers.

Second, modern soldiers are stronger, smarter, and far superior marksman than the WWI soldiers. They carry more weight, do more, and do it better.

 Traejun wrote:

 Shlazaor wrote:
First, a cop who sees a space marine is not going to shoot him. He's going to back away and call for support. Cops are dumbasses with a gun they are trained officers.

Second, modern soldiers are stronger, smarter, and far superior marksman than the WWI soldiers. They carry more weight, do more, and do it better.

No, no... you had it right the first time. Cops ARE dumbasses with guns.

 Psienesis wrote:
Modern soldiers are no stronger, and no smarter, than their WW1 counterparts. In fact, they might be quite a bit dumber. Our modern soldiers are, after all, part of the 4Chan generation.

 Psienesis wrote:
Modern soldiers are no stronger, and no smarter, than their WW1 counterparts. In fact, they might be quite a bit dumber. Our modern soldiers are, after all, part of the 4Chan generation.

Ernestas wrote:
Do you believe that a truly militaristic nation with culture fitting their tittle should have fared better in those conflicts?

 Supertony51 wrote:
Hi everyone, first post to this forum, been a reader for months. Glad to be here.

As to the topic....

I would think if a SM appeared in the middle of time square, more than likely people would think its a gag and try to take pictures with him.

Depending upon the Chapter he would either try to slip away (I.E. Ultramarines) or start massacreing everything (Black templars).


There was a short story that came out a while ago about a detachment of dark angels during pre-heresy that made first contact with a world very similar to modern day earth. A squad of space marines killed thousands while loosing something like a dozen of there own, mainly to tank fire if I remember correctly.

I would compare space marine armour to our composite tank armours.

orkdestroyer1 wrote:
If space wolf traveled back in time he would do 2 things. 1.start burning pagans
2.start pillaging small villages

 infinite_array wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Modern soldiers are no stronger, and no smarter, than their WW1 counterparts. In fact, they might be quite a bit dumber. Our modern soldiers are, after all, part of the 4Chan generation.

You know, I think there are several members of this forum that are current/ex-military that would like a word with you.

 Psienesis wrote:
*Snip*

 Psienesis wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Modern soldiers are no stronger, and no smarter, than their WW1 counterparts. In fact, they might be quite a bit dumber. Our modern soldiers are, after all, part of the 4Chan generation.

You know, I think there are several members of this forum that are current/ex-military that would like a word with you.

They can come have their words with me. I'm a combat-experienced disabled Army vet myself. I'm pretty sure we can go round and point out the absolute hard-cases in every branch of the military, and probably also come to an agreement that Tankers are probably the dumbest SOBs to walk the Earth.

 Selym wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
*Snip*

I dispute your signature. Humans cost a heck of a lot. They've got to be fed.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
*Snip*

I dispute your signature. Humans cost a heck of a lot. They've got to be fed.

Food's still cheaper than gas or electricity... especially if you can feed people the rendered-down remains of the dead. Mmm... corpse-starch rations!

 Psienesis wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Modern soldiers are no stronger, and no smarter, than their WW1 counterparts. In fact, they might be quite a bit dumber. Our modern soldiers are, after all, part of the 4Chan generation.

You know, I think there are several members of this forum that are current/ex-military that would like a word with you.

They can come have their words with me. I'm a combat-experienced disabled Army vet myself. I'm pretty sure we can go round and point out the absolute hard-cases in every branch of the military, and probably also come to an agreement that Tankers are probably the dumbest SOBs to walk the Earth.

Wow, Psienesis, that would be incredibly offensive if it wasnt so laughably wrong. Today's soldiers are very well trained, on average they are smarter and stronger. There is actual competition among soldiers for many of the specialized technical jobs and this competition definitely increases the quality of people holding those jobs. The level of education of modern soldiers is much higher than the level of young men and boys drafted to fight in WWI. This is no disrespect to the WWI soldiers, it was nearly a century ago when that war was fought and the USA was largely rural and educational opportunities were far fewer.

The average age of a WW1 draftee was 25. The average age of the last round of draftees the US had, during the Vietnam War, was 19. In the early part of the 20th century, the age of 25 was well into your established adult years, already-established in a job, probably starting a family, dealing with "adult world" things, rather than being a fresh-out-of-college/party-life-living late teens/early 20s young person that we have now. Our society is fundamentally different now than it was then. We don't really expect people to start behaving "as adults" until they're approaching their 30s these days... but this is an entirely separate topic.

 Psienesis wrote:
No, I was Commo, though I spent most of my time hanging out with 1/33 Armor Division on Fort Lewis, while I was stationed there.

As far as rating intelligence? One needs only visit an internet forum, or read the newspaper, to see that plainly. Are all kids stupid these days? No. Are a lot of them stupid? Oh, hell yes. This, though, holds true across the entire population.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
I'm farely certain that a headshot from an .50 caliber anti-material sniper rifle, such as a Barret, armed with armor piercing rounds would still kill him with one shot. If that round can punch clean through a modern day vehicles engine block, a Space Marines helmet armor can't be stronger than that.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
I'm farely certain that a headshot from an .50 caliber anti-material sniper rifle, such as a Barret, armed with armor piercing rounds would still kill him with one shot. If that round can punch clean through a modern day vehicles engine block, a Space Marines helmet armor can't be stronger than that.

Why not?