<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Best Codex for Black Dragons?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5564380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5564380.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? CC-oriented squads. Maybe a better approach would be to eliminate codexes.

Grey Knights - Absolutely not. No reason to have weird equipment and ubiquitous psychic powers.
Black Templar - I've never faced the BT codex, but I know it's outdated. Probably best to rule this out and revisit when they get their (supposedly soon) revamp.
Dark Angels - It explicitly mentions that DA won't work with them due to mutations, so it seems unlikely they're a successor. No reason to think they use anything like Deathwing/Ravenwing.
Space Wolves - Space Wolves should be CC-oriented, but their codex doesn't really support that. No mention of animal companions to substitute for Thunderwolves.

So that leaves us with Blood Angels and Codex Marines. Of the two, I'd probably lean more toward BA, since the only good melee option in C:SM is Hammernators, which don't really support a counts-as-Dragon-Claws. It mentions the Death Company as similar to Claws, but that's just about segregating them from regular squads. I'd probably suggest running the Claws as Assault Marines so that they can be scoring units, and so that you can give the sergeant dual LC (Death Company can't take LC! WTF is that?). I'd also probably stay away from the more esoteric stuff like Librarian Dreads and Mephiston, but if you can come up with a good fluff rationale go for it.

Warning: I am really not trying to create an optimal BA list here, in part because I have never played BA. I just think that you can get closest to a fluffy and reasonably competent list with them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565367.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565611.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons?
 psychadelicmime wrote:
I am starting a smallish force of black dragons, around 500 at the least 1000 at the most. What codex would work best to represent them?

Black Dragons can mean an awful lot of things. I'm assuming you mean the D&D variety that lives in swamps and spits acid? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565614.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons?
 Kain wrote:
 psychadelicmime wrote:
I am starting a smallish force of black dragons, around 500 at the least 1000 at the most. What codex would work best to represent them?

Black Dragons can mean an awful lot of things. I'm assuming you mean the D&D variety that lives in swamps and spits acid?


We are in 40k background, I don't see D&D anywhere. From my reading of Black Dragons, they seem like they'd fit into Black Templars the most or Blood Angels. If I was getting into Black Dragons now, I'd go for BA simply because they have the most up to date codex out of the two.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565661.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565667.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Black_Dragons#.UYA-eMpu98E

I didn't recognize the name, but it sounded like a Marine chapter so I checked Lexicanum and there it was. I will admit my first thought was also D&D black dragons, but people are usually a lot more defensive when they try to bring stuff like that into 40k where it doesn't belong ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565697.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons?

Does GW not understand that admantium is not a color of paint?

To be honest, though, the Black Dragons strike me as a Chapter being "famous" for how they look doing something, rather than how well they do it. I'm not sure that using what amounts to a sharp bit of bone to kill a dude is somehow better than, you know, a chain-axe or a powersword. I'm not sure the pro-CC Chapters are a good template. Might want to stick with vanilla SM.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565812.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565830.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565928.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons?
 Psienesis wrote:
They...coat their bone bits with admantium?


Does GW not understand that admantium is not a color of paint?

To be honest, though, the Black Dragons strike me as a Chapter being "famous" for how they look doing something, rather than how well they do it. I'm not sure that using what amounts to a sharp bit of bone to kill a dude is somehow better than, you know, a chain-axe or a powersword. I'm not sure the pro-CC Chapters are a good template. Might want to stick with vanilla SM.


BA Assault Marines aren't any better at CC than the ones from C:SM. They just emphasize it tactically, and thus their Assault Marines are troops. I think it's a great way to represent a preference rather than a superior aptitude.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5565942.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5569923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5569923.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? BA.
Heavy CQC, plus DC can count as SpecialUnitofTheBlackDragonswhoNameIdon'tRecall.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5569931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5569931.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5570807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5570807.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? IA article on using Cursed Founding Chapters

http://redelf.naxx.ru/w40k/ia/w40k_ia_cf_0.html

For more fluff click the linkadink in my sig ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5571630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5571630.page GMT Best Codex for Black Dragons? BA death company, every time
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5571767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5571767.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons?
 Jimsolo wrote:
Honestly, I would just use whichever codex you want to play most, and then model the figs to look like Black Dragons, since I don't think there is any specific mechanic that is essential to making a Black Dragons list.


Actually, there is: Death Company. I'm reading the "The Death of Antagonis" book, and it's about the Black Dragons. They have some Claws that are so mutated, they have to keep them hidden inside the battle-barges, away from public eyes. They then release them in a suicidal attack, hoping their mutated brothers are able to die with dignity and honor serving the God-Emperor.

So, yeah, not only are they very CC oriented thanks to the Claws, there's that. So I say BA.

P.S: I also liked the BD look a lot even before reading this book, so I always considered creating a BA "Count-as" army with them. It's still a long way before I do this, but if you could create a P&M blog or showcase explaining how you did the claws, scales on armor and their Dragon symbols, I would be thankful ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5571980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5571980.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons?
 TheDraconicLord wrote:
 Jimsolo wrote:
Honestly, I would just use whichever codex you want to play most, and then model the figs to look like Black Dragons, since I don't think there is any specific mechanic that is essential to making a Black Dragons list.


Actually, there is: Death Company. I'm reading the "The Death of Antagonis" book, and it's about the Black Dragons. They have some Claws that are so mutated, they have to keep them hidden inside the battle-barges, away from public eyes. They then release them in a suicidal attack, hoping their mutated brothers are able to die with dignity and honor serving the God-Emperor.


Ha that is awesome. So technically no one knows of their special weapon?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5572151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5572151.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons? CSM mainly. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5572278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5572278.page GMT Re:Best Codex for Black Dragons?
 unmercifulconker wrote:
 TheDraconicLord wrote:
 Jimsolo wrote:
Honestly, I would just use whichever codex you want to play most, and then model the figs to look like Black Dragons, since I don't think there is any specific mechanic that is essential to making a Black Dragons list.


Actually, there is: Death Company. I'm reading the "The Death of Antagonis" book, and it's about the Black Dragons. They have some Claws that are so mutated, they have to keep them hidden inside the battle-barges, away from public eyes. They then release them in a suicidal attack, hoping their mutated brothers are able to die with dignity and honor serving the God-Emperor.


Ha that is awesome. So technically no one knows of their special weapon?


Here's the passage;
"They held a special group of Black Dragons. They were the blessed, and they were abominations. Mutated far beyond even Volo's distortions, they were monsters of spikes and horns and scales. Huge, muscled, slavering, they were trapped in a permanent predator rage, and their snarls echoed faintly down the corridors to the chapel. They were berserkers who were kept alive until they could be unleashed to find their final peace in frenzied suicide missions. Toharan had heard that the Blood Angels had a similar squad of the damned, but those warriors, however tortured their minds, were not physical grotesques. The Dragons abominations were, he believed, an unconscionable risk. Even hidden they were a provocation to the Inquisition. They should be exterminated as soon as they developed. But they were algo the logical end-point of Chaplain Massorus theology. If one must bless the curse, then the most cursed were the most sacred. They could not tbe touched. Only the battlefield could end their torment and their duty."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5572477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/524230/5572477.page GMT