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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi all,<br /> Working on building and painting a  Deathwing army and was looking for some feedback.  It's for a group of casual gamers and is by no means needing to win tournies.  There's little to no aircraft in the group for some reason which is why there's no anti-air in the list.  It was built more for fluff and wanna have a fun in your face army to play.  Any and all thoughts and feedback welcome.  <br /> <br /> Belial:  190 Points<br /> Deathwing Command Squad:  315 Points<br />                                                          - Deathwing Company Banner<br />                                                          - Deathwing Champion<br />                                                          - Apothecary<br />                                                          - Plasma Cannon<br /> Deathwing Terminators:  377 Points<br />                                               - 3x Thunder Hammer Storm Shield Terminators<br />                                               - Plasma Cannon<br />                                               - 3x Chainfists<br /> Deathwing Terminators:  255 Points<br />                                               - Cyclone Missile Launcher<br />                                               - 2x Chainfists<br /> Deathwing Knight Terminators:  235 Points<br /> Hand to Hand Contemptor Dreadnought (Forgeworld):  185 Points<br /> Hand to Hand Contemptor Dreadnought (Forgeworld):  185 Points                                                <br /> <br /> 1747 Points Total<br /> <br /> The armies in the group are:<br /> Orks - spams bikers, koptas, cans, and nobs<br /> Blood Angels - spams anything armor and death company, uses storm talons and storm raven<br /> Necrons - new player that changes his list constantly, one flyer and lots of troops, c'tan is his staple<br /> Chaos - changes lists and doesn't know how to play it, berserkers and abbadon are his staple, has helldrake<br /> Tyranids - uses swarms, but may have quit due to a loss I handed him with my Raven Guard<br /> Necrons - warrior spam<br /> Eldar - mixture of all units, eldrad, avatar, pathfinders, fire prisms, guardians<br /> <br /> If one of em field some aircraft I could sub out the 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> Termies with an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> with quadgun.  Any thoughts of who I should really worry about in this group and why?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks like a fun list!  I'm assuming the five chainfists are there to fill out spare points?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Verthane]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ With the new <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> an all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> assault on turn one is now illegal for sure, you'll have to have boots on the board.  You have a total of 7 units (characters count separately, even attached to a squad) so that means 3 units on the board...<br /> <br /> I would drop the Knights since they don't score, get a small unit of devastators all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span>/quad-gun  and I would swap both Contemptors for the Mortis-Pattern instead for fire support and extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span>.<br /> <br /> Just my 2 cents.<br /> <br /> Have fun.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 May 2013 01:39:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ phoenix darkus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/a691ff6627c4572b95ec5434cf83f9c4.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525633/5593423.page"><b>Verthane wrote:</b></a><br/>Looks like a fun list!  I'm assuming the five chainfists are there to fill out spare points?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yep yep.  Had 25 points left over and figured why not.  It's either that or an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> for added cover.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/efaf10763e6d1c97c8b2ae5cf4b1ccc8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525633/5593751.page"><b>phoenix darkus wrote:</b></a><br/>With the new <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span> an all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> assault on turn one is now illegal for sure, you'll have to have boots on the board.  You have a total of 7 units (characters count separately, even attached to a squad) so that means 3 units on the board...<br /> <br /> I would drop the Knights since they don't score, get a small unit of devastators all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span>/quad-gun  and I would swap both Contemptors for the Mortis-Pattern instead for fire support and extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(805);'>AA</span>.<br /> <br /> Just my 2 cents.<br /> <br /> Have fun.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I may not use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(29);'>devs</span> as I'm trying to stay all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> for fluff and full on termie spam.  The mortis contemptors are awesome.  I have one for my Raven Guard and he's a beast for anti-air.  I may consider that option for sure with both sporting <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>ACs</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> if points allow.  After all the aircraft is down they'd be good for light vehicles as well.  Thanks for the input.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 May 2013 17:19:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ RavenGuard55]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1750 Points Deathwing Army, Thoughts?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ looks good  is there at least a sarg with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> in ech squad to soak up low <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>ap</span> and do look out sir goodies?<br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 May 2013 19:00:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lovechunks]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1750 Points Deathwing Army, Thoughts?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/2b231b390c73f94e6e31b82791956fdd.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525633/5596680.page"><b>Lovechunks wrote:</b></a><br/>looks good  is there at least a sarg with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> in ech squad to soak up low <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>ap</span> and do look out sir goodies?<br /> <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In another thread I read according to the codex and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(36);'>FAQ</span>, you can't swap out the sarg's sword and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span> for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>.  It's probably unanimous in thinking that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> screwed that up.  My games are all friendly and probably could if I wanted and could show where the points were spent on the upgrades.  I agree that it's a great idea to run him in that configuration up front.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 May 2013 19:34:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ RavenGuard55]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ true that you can still take a normal termi with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>th</span>.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>ss</span> to stand up front and soak up wounds as he would have a deffernt load out of gear]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 8 May 2013 20:20:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
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