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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - In the midst of the bitter national debate on gun violence, gun manufacturers and videogame makers are delicately navigating one of the more peculiar relationships in American business.<br /> <br /> Violent "first-person shooter" games such as "Call of Duty" are the bread and butter of leading video game publishers, and authenticity all but requires that they feature brand-name weapons.<br /> <br /> Electronic Arts licensed weapons from companies like McMillan Group International as part of a marketing collaboration for "Medal of Honor: Warfighter." Activision Blizzard gives "special thanks" to Colt, Barrett and Remington in the credits for its "Call of Duty" titles.<br /> <br /> Rifles by Bushmaster, which made the gun used in the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting last December, have appeared in the hugely popular "Call of Duty."<br /> <br /> Yet, in the wake of the Newtown shooting, the biggest advocate for gun ownership, the National Rifle Association, took aim at videogames to explain gun violence. One week after 20 schoolchildren and six adults were killed in the shooting, NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre called the videogame industry "a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people."<br /> <br /> Now at least one game maker, the second largest by revenue in the United States, is publicly distancing itself from the gun industry, even as it finds ways to keep the branded guns in the games. Electronic Arts says it is severing its licensing ties to gun manufacturers - and simultaneously asserting that it has the right, and the intention, to continue to feature branded guns without a license.<br /> <br /> For the gunmakers, having their products in games is "free marketing, just like having Coca-Cola" in a movie, said Roxanne Christ, a partner at Latham & Watkins LLP in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>Los</span> Angeles, who works with video game companies on licensing, but has not personally done a gun deal.<br /> <br /> Yet it is also a virtual double-edged sword. "It gives publicity to the particular brand of gun being used in the video game," said Brad J. Bushman, a professor at Ohio State University who has studied video game violence. "On the other hand, it's linking that gun with violent and aggressive behavior."<br /> <br /> Gun makers, including the Freedom Group that owns brands like Remington and Bushmaster, and the NRA, did not respond to repeated requests for comment from Reuters.<br /> <br /> 'ENHANCED AUTHENTICITY'<br /> <br /> First-person shooter games let players blast their way through battlefields while looking down the barrel of a virtual gun, taking aim with the flick of a controller.<br /> <br /> Some of those guns - like the Colt M1911 pistol in "Call of Duty" - turn sideways to face the screen during reloading, revealing the brand name. Games also offer lists of branded weapons to choose from.<br /> <br /> Licensed images of weapons in "Medal of Honor: Warfighter" - a game that simulates military missions like fighting pirates in Somalia - offer what EA spokesman Jeff Brown calls "enhanced authenticity."<br /> <br /> Back in the late 90's, video game makers initially approached gun companies for licenses to inoculate themselves from potential lawsuits, video game industry lawyers say. Over the years, legal clearances were granted for little or no money by gunmakers, these lawyers said.<br /> <br /> Yet overt signs of cooperation between the video game and gun industries had begun to draw criticism even before the December school shooting in Connecticut.<br /> <br /> In August, game fans and some video game news outlets vehemently objected to EA putting links to weapons companies like the McMillan Group and gun magazine maker Magpul, where gamers could check out real versions of weapons featured in the game, on its "Medal of Honor: Warfighter" game website.<br /> <br /> "What kind of message is a video game publisher like EA sending when it encourages its players to buy weapons?" asked Laura Parker, the associate editor of gaming site GameSpot Australia in a post in August.<br /> <br /> EA immediately removed the links and dropped the marketing tie-up, which it said was part of a charity project to raise money for military veterans. The company said it received no money from its gun company partners.<br /> <br /> "We won't do that again," said Brown. "The action games we will release this year will not include licensed images of weapons."<br /> <br /> EA said politics and NRA comments critical of game makers had nothing to do with its decision. "The response from our audience was pretty clear: they feel the comments from the NRA were a simple attempt to change the subject," Brown said.<br /> <br /> EA also says video game makers can have branded guns in their games without getting licenses, meaning the industry could drop the gun companies and keep their guns.<br /> <br /> Activision, the industry leader, declined to comment on whether it licenses gun designs from gun manufacturers or if it would stop doing so. Branded guns have consistently been featured in its blockbuster shooter games like the decade-old "Call of Duty."<br /> <br /> "We're telling a story and we have a point of view," EA's President of Labels Frank Gibeau, who leads product development of EA's biggest franchises, said in an interview. "A book doesn't pay for saying the word 'Colt,' for example."<br /> <br /> Put another way, EA is asserting a constitutional free speech right to use trademarks without permission in its ever-more-realistic games.<br /> <br /> Legal experts say there isn't a single case so far where gun companies have sued video game companies for using branded guns without a license.<br /> <br /> But EA's legal theory is now being tested in court. Aircraft maker Bell Helicopter, a unit of Textron Inc, has argued that Electronic Arts' depiction of its helicopters in "Battlefield" was beyond fair use and amounted to a trademark infringement. EA preemptively went to court, suing Bell Helicopter to settle the issue.<br /> <br /> The U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, has set a jury trial for the case in June.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sparks are gonna fly (a bullet analogy would be better but I can't think of one that doesn't sound totally lame).<br /> <br /> An interesting twist. Personally, I see no artistic value in Battlefield. I like blowing stuff up as much as the next guy, but in cyberspace its not art (but then, so do many books, movies, and tv shows XD). Curious how the courts will read this. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Interesting how butt hurt EA gets about people using THEIR intellectual property without license, and yet when it's someone else...<br /> <br /> Now for some of the more common weapons like the M-16/AR-15 the reason there's about eight billion variants from as many companies on the market is because those designs went public domain years ago. Barrett, Kriss and other arms manufacturers with unique and recent designs that are highly distinctive (Barrett's line of .50 BMG sniper rifles, Kriss's "Vector" submachine gun, etc) could have potential for a case. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I kinda see this going the way of the Helo manufacturer, to be honest. I mean, games like Need For Speed, Gran Turismo and Forza all use licenses from auto makers for the use of vehicles. <br /> <br /> To me anyways, a helo is about the same as a car. It's not public domain like the M-4 that KM talks about, and is a design that is and pretty much will always be unique to that manufacturer.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/39650adeaa35fa6c72ecb54287c5a50e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5616159.page"><b>KalashnikovMarine wrote:</b></a><br/>Interesting how butt hurt EA gets about people using THEIR intellectual property without license, and yet when it's someone else...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I agree, but it was also silly to never make a fuss until guns became a hot button topic after several high profile shootings.  I think [arms manufacturers] have a point, but their timing seems a bit awkward.  Counter Strike has been using weapons with real names and imagery for years without a peep.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ When is it okay for you to use someone else's trademark? I mean, the helicopter case seems absurd on its face because you can't trademark a helicopter, right? To violate the trademark I thought you would have to do something like use the manufacturer's logo in a way that suggests that they endorse your product, like printing it on the box or maybe using it on a splash screen. Maybe it would be covered by copyright somehow, or maybe the helicopter sucks in the game and they felt that was mean, but suing over it seems really dubious.<br /> <br /> I would've thought the same would apply to guns.<br /> <br /> This must come up in movies, but isn't it the other way around there? I wouldn't have thought it was illegal for you to make a movie that had certain products in it without the authorisation of the manufacturer - it'd be almost impossible for you not to. But people pay to have their products appear in movies, not get paid for it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You can patent a design and image, and you can trademark brand names.  They aren't just using 'generic submachine gun', but saying 'H&K MP5'.  I'm pretty sure you can protect specific designs, such as a helicopters design.  A Bell 222 is a pretty specific look, same with Boeing's AH-64 Apache.<br /> <br /> There is fair use of images as well, but it also depends a lot on context and how it is presented.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/39650adeaa35fa6c72ecb54287c5a50e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5616159.page"><b>KalashnikovMarine wrote:</b></a><br/>Now for some of the more common weapons like the M-16/AR-15 the reason there's about eight billion variants from as many companies on the market is because those designs went public domain years ago. Barrett, Kriss and other arms manufacturers with unique and recent designs that are highly distinctive (Barrett's line of .50 BMG sniper rifles, Kriss's "Vector" submachine gun, etc) could have potential for a case. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And if that happens, far future or even more WW2 public domain designs.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/23b702c4c421ddb2d023fee968c0d839.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5616388.page"><b>Ensis Ferrae wrote:</b></a><br/>I kinda see this going the way of the Helo manufacturer, to be honest. I mean, games like Need For Speed, Gran Turismo and Forza all use licenses from auto makers for the use of vehicles. <br /> <br /> To me anyways, a helo is about the same as a car. It's not public domain like the M-4 that KM talks about, and is a design that is and pretty much will always be unique to that manufacturer.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah Bell definitely has a well established case here. Lockheed does too, no one can argue that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>-130U Hercules isn't an exclusive Lockheed Martin design. <br /> <br /> <br /> As to going back to WW2 or making up far future stuff, I don't see why you'd come to that conclusion n0t_u, more likely EA would just shut up and quietly resume it's licensing with the brand name guns it wants to use. Which from all the articles seems cost them... next to nothing really. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>, NRA blames video games for gun violence.  <br /> <br /> <br /> Guess they need a scapegoat for their pathetic ranting.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/a684e7544d33e0437454ab0feaaf82d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5617640.page"><b>Melissia wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>, NRA blames video games for gun violence.  <br /> <br /> <br /> Guess they need a scapegoat for their pathetic ranting.</div></blockquote><br /> Everyone want's to blame something these days. <br /> <br /> Damn kids, I blame the schools. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ah, this old chestnut. If guns in videogames makes adult males want to shoot up schools then minecraft should make me want to become a frontiersman. <br /> <br /> Do video games even promote the sales of the firearms they pimp out?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's true I tell you. Videogames corrupt your mind. I was on my way to being a tennis champ, then Pac-Man came around. I couldn't get on the court without trying to eat all the yellow balls! Wakka-wakka-wakka-wak.<br /> <br /> Luckily Mr. Do came into my life, now I'm a cherry picker!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Call of Duty is authentic, wha??<br /> <br /> Cetain games certainly fetishise guns but then so do some films and has there ever been any succesful legal action by gun manufacturers against film studios?<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Right. Because people play Battlefield and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(21);'>CoD</span> to be immersed in a realistic and immersive world.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/08584d2b7135fb2c763720ffd0bf5424.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5647049.page"><b>BlapBlapBlap wrote:</b></a><br/>Because people play Battlefield and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(21);'>CoD</span> to be immersed in their misbeggoten idea of a realistic and immersive world.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Come on. We've all met them. Those uber-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(21);'>CoD</span> kiddies who think that they belong in Delta Force cause they can pwn the nubs <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ad99a243915a88fad627cd3c0327607a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5617051.page"><b>n0t_u wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/39650adeaa35fa6c72ecb54287c5a50e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5616159.page"><b>KalashnikovMarine wrote:</b></a><br/>Now for some of the more common weapons like the M-16/AR-15 the reason there's about eight billion variants from as many companies on the market is because those designs went public domain years ago. Barrett, Kriss and other arms manufacturers with unique and recent designs that are highly distinctive (Barrett's line of .50 BMG sniper rifles, Kriss's "Vector" submachine gun, etc) could have potential for a case. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And if that happens, far future or even more WW2 public domain designs.</div></blockquote>We need more sci-fi games anyway, and less generic "be a white skinhead guy and kill lots of non-white guys who speak funny non-English" games.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/a684e7544d33e0437454ab0feaaf82d6.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5656376.page"><b>Melissia wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/ad99a243915a88fad627cd3c0327607a.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5617051.page"><b>n0t_u wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/39650adeaa35fa6c72ecb54287c5a50e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/525898/5616159.page"><b>KalashnikovMarine wrote:</b></a><br/>Now for some of the more common weapons like the M-16/AR-15 the reason there's about eight billion variants from as many companies on the market is because those designs went public domain years ago. Barrett, Kriss and other arms manufacturers with unique and recent designs that are highly distinctive (Barrett's line of .50 BMG sniper rifles, Kriss's "Vector" submachine gun, etc) could have potential for a case. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And if that happens, far future or even more WW2 public domain designs.</div></blockquote>We need more sci-fi games anyway, and less generic "be a white skinhead guy and kill lots of non-white guys who speak funny non-English" games.</div></blockquote><br /> Or we could just add dogs, apparently that works too<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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