<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "HE list aiming for 2k"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net HE list aiming for 2k 2 mages (lvl 2) 240
20 Archers ( Light Armour, Musician) 230
40 Sea Guard( FC, shields) 480
20 Sword Masters ( FC) 290
8 Silver Helms (FC, Shields) 214
10 Reavers (FC, Replace spears with bows) 200
Total= 1956

So this is putting to use 2 sets of Island of blood and a new HE Battalion to use. Im still looking threw the codex to see what Banners i want to give my HE and what magic weapons. In your guys experience how you think this list holds up?
Sea guard I chose so they could shoot a unit a bit before they clash, The Silver helms are my hard hitting flank unit while my 10 Reavers are my run and shoot unit who if need be can charge a flank if I need it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5608120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5608120.page GMT Re:HE list aiming for 2k Id consider a few changes. First, remember that your prince cant use his shield in combat, due to the halberd being two handed, so he will only have a 4+ save which isn't ideal. Next I would try to squeeze in another 10 sea guard or just replace them with spearmen. This is to make full advantage of martial prowess, 51 ws4 hits most likely with rerolls is not to be sniffed at I would definitely also split the reavers into two units of five, and remove the champ and banner. You really dont want these guys in combat against anything more that warmachines or a severely weakened unit, so the points here just arent worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5608350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5608350.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k

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I still have a chariot left over that I havent put together, Should I make a Lion or tiranoc chariot? and should I include it? if so what should I drop]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5608401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5608401.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5610489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5610489.page GMT Re:HE list aiming for 2k
Firstly, a Prince on Noble is not the best idea. Cannons are really accurate this edition and infantry is too powerful and, as such, monsters, especially those ridden by expensive characters, are usually far too easy to kill. I would drop the prince and use your mage as an archmage with the book of hoeth. You can use the griffon model to proxy as eagles. If you're set on the Prince on Griffon, at least give him good gear. I'd recommend the Star Lance, Talisman of Preservation and something else for 25 points. Glittering Scales, Other Trickster's Shard, Khaine's Ring etc

Drop the light armour on the Archers, it's usually a waste of points since they won't survive much anyway.

Sea Guard are better now thanks to the points drop, but time has yet to tell whether they're worth taking over sea guard. I personally still prefer Sea Guard, but use them if you want.

The Reavers should be split up into two units of 5, with both spears and bows. Reavers aren't meant to take on stuff in combat, they're meant to hunt war machines, harass the enemy's flanks and generally be a nuisance. They don't need command to do this either.

I'd also give the Swordmasters a banner of some sorts, since you have the option to. You may as well go for Banner of the World Dragon, if you have nothing else to put it on.

Also, most fantasy lists need a BSB, especially at 2k. Make sure you get one of those in somewhere.

Finally, as a general pointer on High Elves: HE core is pretty lacklustre, whereas the special and rare units are really good. Therefore, you don't want to spend much more than the 25% necessity (which is 500 points at 2k), so you can spend more on the better units.

Hope this helps! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5610837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5610837.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k
Finally, as a general pointer on High Elves: HE core is pretty lacklustre, whereas the special and rare units are really good. Therefore, you don't want to spend much more than the 25% necessity (which is 500 points at 2k), so you can spend more on the better units.


Not entirely true. Archers are decent, Sea guard and spearmen are good with the right buffs (okams is ludicrous on them). Where as Silver helms are some of the best heavy cave in the game now due to martial prowess and movement 9 at only 23 points they ate better than Empire or Bret Knights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611206.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611206.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k
 FlingitNow wrote:
Not entirely true. Archers are decent, Sea guard and spearmen are good with the right buffs (okams is ludicrous on them). Where as Silver helms are some of the best heavy cave in the game now due to martial prowess and movement 9 at only 23 points they ate better than Empire or Bret Knights.


Spearmen suffer from the drawbacks of the majority of the dark elf army, they need magic to do damage in combat. As for silver Helms, they only have a 2+ save, so empire edge it in there, and are roughly the same points. And Brets are infinitely better due to the frontage and damage output of their Lances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611390.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k ASF, M9 rather than 7 and crucially the ability to fight in 3 ranks. This means 15s can reliably break units on the charge. 15 lances refilling to hit is horrendous damage output far more than the Brets who get the narrow frontage and lots of ranks in their favour but are a point more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611422.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k
 FlingitNow wrote:
The Empire Knights are 1pt less they get a 1+ (which is awesome) but the Helms get ASF, M9 rather than 7 and crucially the ability to fight in 3 ranks. This means 15s can reliably break units on the charge. 15 lances refilling to hit is horrendous damage output far more than the Brets who get the narrow frontage and lots of ranks in their favour but are a point more.


The empire knights also have the option to become S4 basic, ignore barding and reroll a die when charging. Brets also have the option to fill their front rank with T4, 1+ rerollable characters. The fact that they can do this puts them ahead of the silver helms.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611432.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611460.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k
 FlingitNow wrote:
No I get the others have better options, but the standard helm is really good for his points now. As for the Knights you're taking an expensive banner or expensive characters to make them better than the Helms. For empire that banner should be on demigryph whilst the Best bus works best with the Characters out of the front rank where they get their full attacks and are immune to retribution.


I agree that silver helms are good for their points, but saying that they are better than bretonnian knights isn't true. If a full unit of brets without characters hits a unit of empire halberds, the bret player wouldn't even flinch, due to the little number of S4 attacks coming back. But with the frontage of 15 silver helms, you have enough S4 attacks, on average the helms will do 9 wounds and lose lose 7 models which will result in lost combat. Whereas the lance will lose 2. The bret player then has 3 ranks, negating the steadfast of the halberds and has 7 wounds.

Brets still have possibly the best heavy cav in the game due to the lance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/526508/5611473.page GMT HE list aiming for 2k
I'll run the maths on a horde of Halberds (though round here halberds are generally columned).

15 Helms = 13.33 hits = 11.111 dead
5 Horses = 2.5 hits = 1.25 wounds= 1.04 dead round to 12 total dead.

14 attacks back = 7 hits = 4.67 wounds = 1.55 dead

Helms win combat by 11- 12 halberdiers break. If 40 rather than 30 less than 1 more Knight dies Halberdiers lose combat but are steadfast.

15 Realm = 12 attacks = 8 hits = 6.67 dead
3 Horses = 1.5 hits = .75 wounds = .675 dead round to 8 dead

12 attacks back = 6 hits = 4 wounds = 1.33 through armour = 1.111 dead

Brets win by 8 break them whether 30 or 40 strong.

However in a column neither breaks the unit 40 strong but the Brets break the 30 column, Silver Helms will do only if they take no casualties. However against the 40 strong unit the Helms will do 6-7 casualties a turn and will break in a couple of rounds. If the knight don't reform they do 2 wounds and are held up almost indefinitely or they reform to ranks of 6 and kill 4 a turn still not Breaking that column for many turns.

So each has their own advantages. Helms have significantly more damage out put. Brets have ranks. Yeah I went over board in my praise of the Helms but the point was HE core is not as bad as it was absolute certainly not as bad as many other armies.

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