androcles138 wrote:
Frankly both of your proposed lists would be god-awful in an even semi-competitive environment. 2 5-man troop units is just not enough. Plain and simple, you can have the best deathstar in the world (the one you have listed i would rank as ok to moderately good) but with only 2 troops in flyers in an environment where lists come standard with as much AA as people can shove into them, you'll lose. Hell turkeys, Guard airforce, devestators with flakk launchers, etc.

By making a list so scarce in viable objectives grabbers and making the ones you do have rather flimsy, the list screams "i want to lose to anyone with even a hint of competitiveness in their list"


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TLDR: more troops

 A GumyBear wrote:
Thanks but no thanks your list doesn't really help me all it tells me is that "your list is bad use this one instead"

I like the idea of zandy and obyron but it is too expensive of a combo that doesn't always pay off and can be abused by simply charging zandy and pulling obyron out of wherever he was about to do damage unless you keep zandy close to the action near obyron (which i tend to do anyway so you can ignore my little rant)

If I were to field that combo the list would look something like this

HQ
Trazyn
Zandy
Obyron

5 Lords MSS Weave Scythe 2 Shifters 1 Orb
Chronotek

5 Lords MSS Weave Scythe 1 Shifter (Zandy fills in for lost upgrades)
Chronotek

TROOPS
5 Warriors
Night Scythe

5 Warriors
Night Scythe

Again, light on troops but makes one of the courts more mobile and more killy. Trazyn provides delicious MSS and precious scoring along with CC effectiveness. Warriors can hide in NS for the entire game till its time to cap objectives and if the NS gets downed they can simply walk on a different turn and make a brake for los blocking terrain or objectives. Zandy provides orb and a homing beacon for obyron to teleport into critical areas. I have playtested this list about 4 times (won with all of them so far) and have found this combo of hqs works best so far but I have yet to try out anrakyr and am eager to test it out (so far they have all been objective games). I often find this list forcing the enemy to leave a good portion of the board empty leaving it open for my wariors to drop down and hold it while my courts usually end up tying up or killing the majority of their army, or the courts get into their backlines and begin to sweep their army ending up in a table/near table.

 A GumyBear wrote:
I'm thinking that 3 NS would be enough to stay competitive and 4 would be optimal I will try to work some points around to at least get one. I'm not too worried about heldrakes since they are only ap3 and they all have 2+ I have never faced one before are their vector strikes ap2? Against flyrants its really just about whether he is smart enough to stay in the air and not assault me, if he is smart enough then I will need to shoot them asap to ground them. I am more familiar against the daemons fmc spam and if I do see it my only hope is to deny jis scoring before he can deny mine, I love the personal table they have so many useful traits for this army I usually run trazyn as my warlord because of his survivability but if I get scoring on the table then that is a huge waste of precious scoring when I could have made zandy my warlord and give each court the ability to score

Who should be my warlord with this list? Do I risk losing precoous scoring or do I not bother and just shoot for the fnp with trazyn

 SwistakCZC wrote:
First list aint completed I didnt have enought time yesterday, there are some spare points. I think Night Scythe can be ditched if you wish to and either you can add phase shifter in order to enhance squad without Zandrekh and tomb blades (for fast, low-priority for enemy denying unit, which can try to ground fmc), or Bastion with Comms Relay (in order to manipulate reserves) it provide some shooting (hb) and also is reliable security for warriors as backfield objective holders.

Please write how it works after playtests

 skoffs wrote:
Frankly, one RCDI tends to be enough, but if you're set on using two, I would recommend having the second one be a shooty court.
Reason being, if you're going to deep strike these guys, they're just going to sit there for a turn and get shot at.
If the choppy Court drops in, and then the shoot court drops in between the choppy court and the target enemy unit, it will accomplish two things:
- let you blast away with a ton of 12" AP3 Staff of Light shots.
- if the shooty unit gets engaged by the enemy in your opponent's assault phase, they'll act as an anvil for the choppy unit.

But yeah, I would also advocate including a small unit of Tomb Blades for objective contestment later in the game.

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wrote:Frankly, one RCDI tends to be enough, but if you're set on using two, I would recommend having the second one be a shooty court.
Reason being, if you're going to deep strike these guys, they're just going to sit there for a turn and get shot at.
If the choppy Court drops in, and then the shoot court drops in between the choppy court and the target enemy unit, it will accomplish two things:
- let you blast away with a ton of 12" AP3 Staff of Light shots.
- if the shooty unit gets engaged by the enemy in your opponent's assault phase, they'll act as an anvil for the choppy unit.

But yeah, I would also advocate including a small unit of Tomb Blades for objective contestment later in the game.