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Which army out of Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines can take more punishment?

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For CSM, you can't beat Plague Marines. Those bastards would just. not. go. down. For Dark Angels, Raven Wing. 2 Executioners will ruin a Deathwing's day with ease.


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take marines and orks

Marines have better saves and so it will lose less models to regular fire but against low ap weapons that doesn't work aswell. They also field less models so each loss is a harder hit.

The orks on the other hand will likely die by the dozens by annything, but those losses don;t have as much weight behind themm, there are plenty more left.

Going by what army will be surviving more shots on average
It really depends on what you are facing and how well the dice gods are with you.

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Out of dark angels or chaos space marines? I'd say it goes

Plague marine-based armies
Deathwing
Other chaos space marine based armies.

Plague marines, and other nurgle marked chaos space marine stuff, is just resilient as hell. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648283.page GMT IG army can take a hell of a lot more meltagun shots than Grey Knights Paladin unit can, but flamers will kill off the IG very well and do relatively little to the Paladins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648301.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648307.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648307.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648408.page GMT IG SitNW conscripts I beg you to kill the entire unit so I don't have to waste a turn before sending more in.

Of those 2 armies clearly the Plaguemarines are one of the most survivable units in the game. DW knights are a bit more survivable but they are x2 more expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5648463.page GMT
That being said, the answer is the Black Templars. They outnumber pretty much everybody but the Orkz and Tyranids. Keepin the meatshield up front. Way more casualties, way more retaliation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649173.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649173.page GMT CSM bikers laugh at Ravenwing squads. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649471.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649560.page GMT JotWW. Against your standard IG/SM army though? No way you're killing that many guys, sorry. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649600.page GMT
Out of your chosen armies? I'm going with Dark Angels. Terminators as troops is a damn hard nut to crack.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5649612.page GMT CSM is the clear winner.
You can field armies that are FNP, Toughness 5, Fearless or some combination of the three.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5651616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5651616.page GMT
In the case of a normal space marine with an ap5/str4 weapon:
(cost: 14pts) x (chances to wound: 0.5) x (chance fail a save: 0.33) = 2.31.
Each time an enemy hits a SM with a bolter, killed or not, it cost you an average of 2.31pts.

Cost of a hit on a AP2/str7+ weapons on a space marine:
14 x 0.83 x 1 = 11.66 pts

For for a Terminator:
AP5/str4 weapon:
40 x 0.5 x 0.17 = 3.4 pts

AP2/str7+ weapon:
40 x 0.83 x 0.66 = 21.91 pts

So, for the same number of points, a squad of space marine are more resilient than a squad of terminator, even against 'small' AP5 fire.

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Sorry if my calculations didn't really target the armies you asked for, but I only worked with units that I knew the point cost.

The most resilient against firearms would the CSM, because of the cultist. In assault, it may be another story... but again, chaos have some good units that may cover that weakness.
Even without the mark of Nurgle nor possible FNP, it doesn't change my choice; Chaos! lol .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5651760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5651760.page GMT inv saves...does that count? T can be ignored...by a lot. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5652037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5652037.page GMT SM variant built around Coward Shields.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5652044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5652044.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5652048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/528678/5652048.page GMT