mojo2742 wrote:
Well the first thing I see is that you can only take a quad gun or coms relay. Also I don't see what you are doing with the warpsmith. What is his role in this Army build? So the other question I have is what do you have in reserve? If it is only the heldrakes the coms relay is meh. Also what is the job of your 15 man marines? Are they just going to march across the board? If so they will be shot to death. You have fast bikes and slow walking marines.

Diablix wrote:
I agree with mojo2742, it is hard to understand what you want to do with this army. However consider that I do not have a lot of experience yet, so feel free to ignore them

Short Answer:
Decide if you want to go shooty or assault. I see you like bikes. So either you are willing to spend points on at least 2/3 very dangerous units that are able to charge at Turn 2 and build an Assault list (with some decent long range support) or you build a gunline army. Something in between becomes difficult if you don't have a clear idea of what you want.

Detailed Answer:
My first suggestion would be to decide if you want a shooty army, an assault army or something in between (which must be thought carefully). Then you can start thinking about which HQ you like and better fullfills the role you thought for him in the army. I like to start from a good HQ choice and build the list around him, but of course it is just my idea, not a rule.

As an example I think that Huron Blackheart is a good place to start from when you are uncertain: pretty solid and durable, deadly in close combat and with plenty of utilities, Master of Deceipt being the best of them. Being able to infiltrate up to 3 units is quite useful, especially if you want to be in close combat or at least within short range.

As a general rule of thumb, if you want some fast close combat unit (like bikes, and 9 of them is a good threat for the opponent) then you always need to have at least 2 of 3 of them that are able to charge in the same turn. Otherwise a gunline army will just pinpoint kill your assault units one per turn, starting from the closest one. So if you want the bike (that are a solid choice, IMHO) I suggest you to either add something very killy within a Land Raider, another bike unit, chaos spawns, an infiltrated marine unit.. your call.
However a 9 bike unit alone imho will die quickly. You must have multiple threats for the opponent, so either he distributes fire evenly between them (which is what you hope for) or he targets only one, allowing the other to survive unharmed.
If you really like your bike and don't want to drop them even in a shooty army than make the unit smaller, at most 4-5 models, so the opponent's attention will be drawn by something else.

General Duf wrote:
If a gunline is your plan, then some Noise marines are a great answer. Take a Chaos Lord with MoS and Huron (huron as your Warlord). Infiltrate the Noise Marines with Sonic blasters so they are within the minimum distance for the Sonic blasters and salvo away. Blastmasters also work for decent light or medium anti armor. Now you have a scoring unit to draw fire from those bikes and claim any objectives they manage to shift the enemy away from. If you like, they can advance with the bikes, or they can sit back and unload 3 shots a turn. Now they need to chose between the NM at I5 next turn or the relentless rapid fire bikes next turn. Oh and give them FNP to make them last a bit longer.

Thousand sons might also work with the AP3 bolters if used properly. They will keep marines from trying to get into rapid fire range for sure or forcing them to make cover saves constantly. Granted they are truly expensive. I would avoid giving the soulblaze. Just making an expensive unit more expensive for marginal returns.

 Blackskull wrote:
vindispam......ah that takes me back, nice to see the classics arn't dead.

drop nurgle marks boys before toys pump more marines into it make a proper gunline.
MoN is a bit of a crutch as it makes you comfortable with T5 units this is bad most units arent T5.

find sommin SCARY, like a flying prince or use huron to infiltrate bezerkers into your opponents face, in other words make shooting at the vindis a realy bad idea, the more their ignored the closer they get and then you can dump those canons on them.

SCARY units include
nurgle bikers, soak up bolterfire like sponges
nurgle spawn, same as above providing you camp cover, also is very good cc hammer.
prince, at 2000pts will probably be shot to bits so make him a nurgle prince and zip into cover.
juggerlord, too obvious
Landraider full of angry angry zerkers!!! (personal favorite).
Infitrated Noise marines, those guns are SCARY

also sink his tanks before they sink your vindis, terminators with combi meltas can deepstrike behind a tank and liqudate it instantly, equip with combi flamers in event of infantry heavies in cover. oblits arn't my favorite unit try tri las preds to kill his tanks quicker as they dont need to switch weapons. remember at 2000pts your force org doubles so try hit that on the head and it becomes perfectly legal to take 6 heavy supports

 Blackskull wrote:
thats the idea, its called termicide and it works against heavy tanks that often cost more than the squad ,strike, kill tank, and go down swinging messing up his back line and drawing fire off your better units.

forgefeinds arent feasable in my opinion as BS3 lets their guns down too much and they are expensive like dental work

hellbrutes are cheap but outclassed easily by other units for infantry hunting and tank killing. invaluble aginst nids though as they can take 2 heavy flamers in powerfists allowing them to take carnifexes on the charge and incinerate carpits of bugs.

i do reccomend expanding the bikers make them nurgle, they work for scare tactics and are weird in the fact that they probably live after being shot

 Blackskull wrote:
yes so they work!!!!!

your vindis and scoring units wernt being shot at as he had to sink shooting into the bikes, they dont kill things thats not what there for. what they do is defend your other units letting them get more shots off, cause when your drakes arrive then you can incinerate their infantry and if the bikes did the job then you should still have a large infantry base and tank support to capture objectives and butcher off the survivors. get termicide squad to kill vital units like skyfire platforms and hevy support, the way to win is not to make a grand masterplan, its by making sure you opponents grand masterplan doesnt work

i run this tactic at 1500 pts and often ive tabled them by turn 4 unless they run an assult list in which case i play defensive