http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net And thinking what is good terrain actually worth ?. Has anybody seen reasonably priced, quality scenery. ?
What are these worth?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WARHAMMER-40K-CITY-GOTHIC-RUIN-URBAN-SCENERY-TERRAIN-BUILDINGS-ORK-SPACE-MARINE-/261239381003?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3cd3149c0b

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORK-IRONCLAD-28MM-HUT-WARHAMMER-40K-WARGAMES-HOVEL-SCENERY-TERRAIN-BUILDINGS-/261239158972?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3cd31138bc

Is GW terrain a good buy? Thoughts please.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5813973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5813973.page GMT 40K GW terrain kits are good for the quality and modular aspect, plus all the little details that would be hard to replicate yourself. I've never tried the fantasy terrain kits though, but as with all GW, your paying extra for the quality and all the little details. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814229.page GMT
However there is a pretty good market for ready made stuff, or there would not be so much of it available. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814232.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814827.page GMT OP linked to. £35-40 doesn't seem that far fetched but both items are entirely possible using even a basic skill level.

GW kits aren't/weren't bad prices for good kits. The Morrs Garden box is awesome for example.

I would also suggest Pegasus Hobbies. They're real cheap and the Industrial, platformer and Gothic ranges (amoungst many) are really ace.

That said like the others posting here I like home made stuff as it can look good from everyday household items (I'm looking at you Kilkrazy's Tau stuff) and shouldn't cost the earth. I would recommend Antencitis Workshop for materials and detailing components, though many others have great stuff too - Spartan Games, Ainsty Castings, CNC and TableScape.co.uk all instantly jump to mind for bits to detail terrain. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5814865.page GMT And that's what started me thinking. As a hobby do we pay to much for scenery.
Is it good value, or over priced.

I've got some Pegasus Hobbies stuff, and its OK. That tablescape stuff looks interesting. Thanks for the info.

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ive always found bought or scratch build terrain is great as long as you can store it safe & sound in it own box or in a cupboard out of the way

ive seen some of my friends terrain supurb on day 1 by a couple of months its dog eared & looking tired by the end of the year its either binned or canibalizes for the next years projects.

Gw's stuff looks great but a knightmare to store.
when i designed my terrain 3 main thoughts in mind ,got to be storage ,its got to look great & got to be playable in a few different forms (as you get board playing around the same piece of terrian) so thats my prioritys in a piece of terrain

ive got a couple of GW's old hard foam hills & there a pain to store

you pay a forture to keep your figures safe but not the terrain. it drives me mad great figs on crap terrain]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5822716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5822716.page GMT I get a lot of terrain from ebay. There are some excellent sellers that make scratch built terrain (which I suck at) ... and some very overpriced ones. Its hard - often time pictures of terrain don't do it justice, in both directions. But I've found a few that I'm pretty happy with, and restrict most of my purchases to them.

I use Container Store Underbed boxes and Large Storage boxes to store terrain. They work great - stores terrain well, and transports them decently (need a big trunk or SUV). Of course, I have a room to store all my minis, terrain, books, painting table, etc, so I have the room for the underbed boxes (probably 25+).
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The problem with terrain is the time involved in building and finishing a piece. So a scratch built piece that is hand painted (depending of course on materials, quality, etc.) could easily take enough time to make to justify the above-referenced price. Those pieces look nice enough to justify those prices.

I tend to make my own terrain, and I make a crap-load of terrain. I also prefer to make my terrain on the cheap, cheap, cheap. That said, I also use some laser cut terrain kits.

Terrain kits are always going to run more than scratch building terrain, especially if you are making a lot of terrain. The question is one of time, money, and desired appearance.

If you have a lot more money than time, buying finished pieces is a good way to go. If you have more money than time, buying kits can be a good option. They generally go together faster than scratch built terrain, and there's less chance of screwing something up. If you have more time than money, scratch building is probably the way to go.

Now, in terms of final appearance, if you are okay with something that is pretty good looking, you can make some decent-looking terrain with minimal skill, especially if you work on projects that forgive mistakes. This is one reason I love making ruins. It is hard to screw up ruins. If you want something that looks awesome, you may be happier buying quality kits or finished pieces.

Personally, I tend to reach for a kit when scratch building the relevant piece would be a pain in the . For someone that makes a lot of terrain, I HATE measuring and cutting. I hate it with a passion. I do not like cutting out walls, making sure everything is the same size, measuring out angles, bla bla bla. I hate that crap. For me, it sucks all the fun out of a project.

So if I want a clean, whole, undamaged building that is a complex or annoying shape, I will often look for a good laser cut alternative. I also buy kits that save a great deal of time, or give me something that I couldn't easily do scratch building. For example, I recently got the Gamecraft Outhouses kit. I could have easily scratch built outhouses, but for 15 dollars I got 8 outhouses that looked pretty good, went together in a few hours, and had little laser cut moons and stars in the doors (something I would have been hard pressed to do on my own). So for 15 dollars I did in a few hours what would probably have taken me twice that or more.

When it comes to hills, rocks, and natural terrain, I always scratch build. The materials are dirt cheap, it is hard to screw up, there's little need for precise measurements, and required skill level is low. I usually scratch build ruins. I scratch build simple structures, like square houses with few windows.

All in all, it depends on what you want. If you want to fill a table and you aren't looking for the best-looking terrain around, scratch building is good to try first. You can grab some tutorials from sites like Terra Genesis, or DakkaDakka, and you can see if you like what you wind up with. The investment will be comparatively minimal, you could very well be happy with what you come up with, and you may find that you very much enjoy making your own terrain.

The key to scratch building terrain is to make sure that the mundane nature of whatever you are working with is hard to identify. If you nail that, you can knock out a lot of decent-looking pieces very quickly with little investment. And the best part about scratch building terrain is that the more you do, the cheaper it is. When you can buy your materials in bulk, cost starts to go way down. Bag of play sand, gallon jug of glue, 8x4 sheets of plasticard, 8x4 sheets of hardboard, 8x4 panels of board insulation, homemade molds, etc.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5823457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5823457.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5824033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5824033.page GMT Id have to agree with Solo--
But I build my own stuff.
Take the time and money you were going to spend on that stuff and lookon ebay for the "How to build terrain" by the GW crew.
It is an AWESOME resource for building terrain.
too bad they dont sell it retail anymore....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5824079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/537917/5824079.page GMT