<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/16.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets SM unit that has the option to upgrade to a plasma weapon.
Being that Plasma Weapons are so risky to use, a savvy Adeptus Tech designed gauntlets that resist heat.
The weapon gets hot as normal, but the model using it may choose to just drop the weapon, wait a few seconds, and pick it up again, instead of dying.
Since using insulated gauntlets is considered heresy, any friendly model in LOS of the model using insulated gauntlets must make a free out of turn shooting attack against that unit.
The upgrade is free.


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Insulated Gauntlets, AKA Oven Mitts
Codex Space Marines
Free Upgrade for any infantry model equipped with a weapon that Gets Hot.
A model with this upgrade may ignore the wound associated with a "Gets Hot" result.
Because wearing oven mitts is Heretical, all friendly units that have a clear LOS of the offending model's unit, starting with the closest friendly unit, must make an immediate, out of turn shooting attack at that unit, using a legal shooting profile of the controlling player's choice. If the offending model is not removed as a casualty, the next closest unit with clear LOS then follows suit. These shooting attacks continue until either there are no more friendly units within range that have a clear LOS, or the offending model is removed as a casualty.
Wounds are allocated normally, but precision shots must be directed at the offending model; and optional rules such as 'look out sir' if applicable, may be utilized to prevent those wounds.
If the offending model remains in play after all free shooting attacks have been resolved, play continues as normal.

Allied detachments are not required to fire at the offending model, unless they are from Codex: Black Templars, the other chapters don't really care, though Dark Angels are considered to be eying the model suspiciously from this point forward.

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Oven Mitts
Optional upgrade for units from any codex utilizing Space Marines other than Chaos Space Marines.
Available as a free upgrade to any non HQ model that is equipped with a weapon with the Gets Hot special rule.

A model with this upgrade may ignore gets hot rule. This does not remove the Gets Hot rule from the weapon, only negates the wound from a gets hot result; if other effects are triggered by a gets hot result, those still take place.

Because wearing oven mitts is Heretical, all friendly units that have LOS to the offending model's unit, starting with the closest friendly unit, must make an immediate, out of turn shooting attack at that unit, using a legal shooting profile of the controlling player's choice.

If the offending model is not removed as a casualty, the next closest unit with LOS then follows suit. These shooting attacks continue until either there are no more friendly units within range that have LOS, or the offending model is removed as a casualty.

Wounds are allocated normally, but precision shots must be directed at the offending model; and optional rules such as 'look out sir' if applicable, may be utilized to prevent those wounds.

If the offending model remains in play after all free shooting attacks have been resolved, play continues as normal.

Only units in the offending model's detachment, or any units in the player's allied detachment from Codex: Black Templars are required to make these out of sequence shooting attacks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843108.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets
I'd allow it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843159.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets
 Dakkamite wrote:
Watching your plasma rifle dudes die every single game is hilarious, but free shooting attacks against the unit..;

I'd allow it


How would it work though? Do models in the plasma gunner's unit need to shoot at him? If so, can he be the only casualty? If other units shoot at him, is he the only casualty to are wounds done as per the normal rules? Are you forced to use one shot weapons if you have them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843166.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets
 motyak wrote:
 Dakkamite wrote:
Watching your plasma rifle dudes die every single game is hilarious, but free shooting attacks against the unit..;

I'd allow it


How would it work though? Do models in the plasma gunner's unit need to shoot at him? If so, can he be the only casualty? If other units shoot at him, is he the only casualty to are wounds done as per the normal rules? Are you forced to use one shot weapons if you have them?


If you shoot at him, you're shooting at the unit, but precision shots must be directed at him.
You're not forced to use one shot weapons unless it's your only option.
Wound allocation is treated normally.
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 junk wrote:
 motyak wrote:
 Dakkamite wrote:
Watching your plasma rifle dudes die every single game is hilarious, but free shooting attacks against the unit..;

I'd allow it


How would it work though? Do models in the plasma gunner's unit need to shoot at him? If so, can he be the only casualty? If other units shoot at him, is he the only casualty to are wounds done as per the normal rules? Are you forced to use one shot weapons if you have them?


If you shoot at him, you're shooting at the unit, but precision shots must be directed at him.
You're not forced to use one shot weapons unless it's your only option.
Wound allocation is treated normally.


Do units with multiple weapons need to fire everything, or just one weapon?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843182.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets
 motyak wrote:
 junk wrote:
 motyak wrote:
 Dakkamite wrote:
Watching your plasma rifle dudes die every single game is hilarious, but free shooting attacks against the unit..;

I'd allow it


How would it work though? Do models in the plasma gunner's unit need to shoot at him? If so, can he be the only casualty? If other units shoot at him, is he the only casualty to are wounds done as per the normal rules? Are you forced to use one shot weapons if you have them?


If you shoot at him, you're shooting at the unit, but precision shots must be directed at him.
You're not forced to use one shot weapons unless it's your only option.
Wound allocation is treated normally.


Do units with multiple weapons need to fire everything, or just one weapon?


Good question. I suppose it's up to you, as you're in control of the unit.
Perhaps I should revise the rule.

Insulated Gauntlets, AKA Oven Mitts
Codex Space Marines
Free Upgrade for any infantry model equipped with a weapon that Gets Hot.
A model with this upgrade may ignore the wound associated with a "Gets Hot" result.
Because wearing oven mitts is Heretical, all friendly units that have a clear LOS of the offending model's unit, starting with the closest friendly unit, must make an immediate, out of turn shooting attack at that unit, using a legal shooting profile of the controlling player's choice. If the offending model is not removed as a casualty, the next closest unit with clear LOS then follows suit. These shooting attacks continue until either there are no more friendly units within range that have a clear LOS, or the offending model is removed as a casualty.
Wounds are allocated normally, but precision shots must be directed at the offending model; and optional rules such as 'look out sir' if applicable, may be utilized to prevent those wounds.
If the offending model remains in play after all free shooting attacks have been resolved, play continues as normal.

Allied detachments are not required to fire at the offending model, unless they are from Codex: Black Templars, the other chapters don't really care, though Dark Angels are considered to be eying the model suspiciously from this point forward. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843311.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets
 junk wrote:

Insulated Gauntlets, AKA Oven Mitts
Codex Space Marines
Free Upgrade for any infantry model equipped with a weapon that Gets Hot.


So bikes can't take it for their plasma guns? And no BA, DA, SW, etc?

 junk wrote:
A model with this upgrade may ignore the wound associated with a "Gets Hot" result.


Why not simply say 'ignores the "Gets Hot" rule', I know it doesn't seem different but it is a more streamlined way to do something, rather than ignoring a specific step in a specific rule.

 junk wrote:
Because wearing oven mitts is Heretical, all friendly units that have a clear LOS of the offending model's unit, starting with the closest friendly unit, must make an immediate, out of turn shooting attack at that unit, using a legal shooting profile of the controlling player's choice.


Clear LOS isn't a thing, so just 'all friendly units that have LOS'.

 junk wrote:
If the offending model is not removed as a casualty, the next closest unit with clear LOS then follows suit. These shooting attacks continue until either there are no more friendly units within range that have a clear LOS, or the offending model is removed as a casualty.
Wounds are allocated normally, but precision shots must be directed at the offending model; and optional rules such as 'look out sir' if applicable, may be utilized to prevent those wounds.
If the offending model remains in play after all free shooting attacks have been resolved, play continues as normal.


Complicated, but alright. Stops them laying into the unit after he's dead, which is an important thing to make clear.

 junk wrote:
Allied detachments are not required to fire at the offending model, unless they are from Codex: Black Templars, the other chapters don't really care, though Dark Angels are considered to be eying the model suspiciously from this point forward.


This bit needs a bit of rewording. Something like "Only units in the player's primary detachment, or any of the player's allied units from Codex: Black Templars, are bound to make these out of sequence shooting attacks." Or something like that]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5843329.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets Regarding the 'step and not whole rule', I think it should be clear that the oven mitts don't prevent the weapon from getting hot. I know that it's implied by the name, but it's really important that we keep the distinction that the techpriests are completely unable to circumvent the propensity for a commonly deployed piece of wargear has an 18% chance per shot of killing it's user, yet make it available to combat veterans who have earned special distinction due to, ostensibly, their service and vast battlefield experience.


Alright, re:revised, does this work?

Oven Mitts
Optional upgrade for units from any codex utilizing Space Marines other than Chaos Space Marines.
Available as a free upgrade to any non HQ model that is equipped with a weapon with the Gets Hot special rule.

A model with this upgrade may ignore gets hot rule. This does not remove the Gets Hot rule from the weapon, only negates the wound from a gets hot result; if other effects are triggered by a gets hot result, those still take place.

Because wearing oven mitts is Heretical, all friendly units that have LOS to the offending model's unit, starting with the closest friendly unit, must make an immediate, out of turn shooting attack at that unit, using a legal shooting profile of the controlling player's choice.

If the offending model is not removed as a casualty, the next closest unit with LOS then follows suit. These shooting attacks continue until either there are no more friendly units within range that have LOS, or the offending model is removed as a casualty.

Wounds are allocated normally, but precision shots must be directed at the offending model; and optional rules such as 'look out sir' if applicable, may be utilized to prevent those wounds.

If the offending model remains in play after all free shooting attacks have been resolved, play continues as normal.

Only units in the offending model's detachment, or any units in the player's allied detachment from Codex: Black Templars are required to make these out of sequence shooting attacks.

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This rule just seems to go from one wound to be saved to potentially an entire gunlines shooting a "heretic" worth o wounds on an entire unit.

I would rather the 1 gets hot wound.

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Take a test:

Pass - don't shoot at gets hot unit

Fail - shoot at gets hot unit

Or go the Imperial guard commissar trick.

Gets hot result is rolled, take leadership test for unit, Pass nothing happens, Fail Sgt or highest leadership model shoots gunner, model is removed from play.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5848481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/539718/5848481.page GMT Optional Wargear - Insulated Gauntlets
DOOMONYOU wrote:
The only way i see someone taking these is if there was a leadership test.

Take a test:

Pass - don't shoot at gets hot unit

Fail - shoot at gets hot unit

Or go the Imperial guard commissar trick.

Gets hot result is rolled, take leadership test for unit, Pass nothing happens, Fail Sgt or highest leadership model shoots gunner, model is removed from play.


The second option just reduces the Gets Hot death toll, without adding any real consequence. However, your first option is potentially even more hilarious, so I love that...

"Delta squad, you were ordered not to shoot at the marine wearing oven mitts"
"Yes sir, but he was a heretic, and the rest of his unit were harboring a heretic."
"You disobeyed a direct order"
"Sorry, chaplain, we failed our leadership test."
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