<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? SM, would it be viable to take a standard hq from DA, with a C:SM detachment containing Moloc? I was thinking maybe a Moloc plus deathwing knights combo could be pretty deadly? I don't know if there is anything overwhelming in the standard Space Marine codex that makes them worth taking as a detachment however

Failing that, could I use Moloc as a standard DA terminator captain, or Belial for example, and just have an all DA army? Using them the two detachments I'd probably aim for 1750-2000 pts to make sure I get the most I can to make it worthwhile]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5859532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5859532.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5859547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5859547.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? haven't heard of the siege list, would that still allow me to use Dark Angels? Also, what would you suggest if anything for the space marine detachment or would it be better to just use him as say Belial?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5859757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5859757.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? IA rules are absolutely badass, he's the best space marine CC character there is, by far.
Problem is: you're gonna sink a ton of points in HQs if you're gonna combine it with Deathwing...
You'd be better off keeping your army out of the SM codex.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860357.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? SM scout squad, and Moloc. Cheap DA Libby and troops, Some tactical squads, and then A nice fat deathwing knight deathstar with a LRC. Of course that is what I would do just off the top of my head. Probably a better way to do it though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860397.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? DA terminator with a Stormshield and Power Axe/Lance/Unusual Power Weapon rather than trying to add a Minotaurs allied detachment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860457.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? DA book, e.g. Some bikes, tactical marines with the knights, backed up by some armour... Would that be reasonably competitive? Also, taking the space marines as a detachment, can Moloc be the warlord, and does he still confer his chapter tactics: preferred enemy space marines? I read somewhere that it was faqed so that only his detachment is affected, is that right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860875.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860875.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? PE:SM to your DA.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860889.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? DA Land Raider; allies can't embark on the main Codex's transports and vice versa.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860891.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
althazar03 wrote:
Pretty much to what, both? haven't heard of the siege list, would that still allow me to use Dark Angels? Also, what would you suggest if anything for the space marine detachment or would it be better to just use him as say Belial?

Use them as allies.

Here's the 1d4chan tactica for the SAV

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Space_Marines/Siege_Assault_Vanguard

As you can see it's pretty awesome but there are big drawbacks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5860959.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5862175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5862175.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
 Tiger9gamer wrote:
question.... if you take the siege list as allies, do you have to take the siege objective too?

Yes, that is the primary drawback to the list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5862189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5862189.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? FW army :p though I am loving the emperors children heresy stuff atm :p better hope they do some DA stuff... I may just take him as belial then, and on that note is it better to have belial or a standard termy hq?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863410.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
In seriousness his special rules will make you take him over a standard company master]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863631.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
althazar03 wrote:
Hmm, the siege list does sound cool, but it doesn't really fit with what I was thinking, plus I have no where near enough money for a FW army :p though I am loving the emperors children heresy stuff atm :p better hope they do some DA stuff... I may just take him as belial then, and on that note is it better to have belial or a standard termy hq?

The SAv list actually requires precisely zero forge world models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863677.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
Muzwa wrote:
Belial, no scatter deep strike and a fleshbane powersword while also having terminator troops? Yes Please!

In seriousness his special rules will make you take him over a standard company master


I'm actually considering him with a TH/SS instead.

Edit:
I'm making my own converted version of Belial. I plan on giving him all 3 weapon options. Just in case LCs ever become more viable.
I like the added save of the SS, which is why I'm leaning that way. There are lots of way to die by AP2 weapons in 6th....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5863718.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? DW squad or a command squad instead? I've literally never played with a space marine army before, but my general idea was 2/3 tactical squads maybe in rhinos, a unit of knights, maybe another unit of termies, a unit or two of bikes, backed up by tanks (thinking two vindis and a pred?) How does that sound as a general composition? Will I be able to get all that in roughly 1750 points?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865002.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? GK to have even quasi-assault grenades... yeah. Stuff died.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865640.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
but if you do what you described, take azreal. he makes everyone LD10, and makes both terminators and Ravenwing troops.


I would think a couple of predators would be good for some range stuff. maybe a rifleman ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865645.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5865969.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
and the rifleman is a x2 autocannon dred.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5866406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5866406.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
Hmm ok, that could be a consideration for some anti tank, I just think the vindis look awesome, although they aren't overly anti tank as such due to the pie plate]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867499.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
althazar03 wrote:
So can a land raider hold 10 men regardless of size? I.e. ten termies?


No, Terminators are bulky and take 2 slots each.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867522.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867542.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? LRRs and LRCs have more than 10 Transport Capacity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5867558.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5868503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5868503.page GMT Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
 phoenix darkus wrote:
Moloc's updated IA rules are absolutely badass, he's the best space marine CC character there is, by far.
Problem is: you're gonna sink a ton of points in HQs if you're gonna combine it with Deathwing...
You'd be better off keeping your army out of the SM codex.


Lysander's a beast as well, a Str10 MC thunderhammer (that is +2 on vehicle damage charts)...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5868523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5868523.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible?
althazar03 wrote:
Ahhh, how much can they hold?


That'd be in your Codex. Dakka is not a substitute for the books.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5869671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5869671.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5869758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5869758.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5869803.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5869803.page GMT Re:Dark Angels and Asterion Moloc, possible? DA, and what unit combinations work ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5870314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540713/5870314.page GMT