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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm building a bunch of terminators and am curious who to give the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CMLs</span>.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>? I see this most on the internet, but it doesn't really float my boat because of wasting the storm bolter.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>? This would make sense too, but a 74 point terminator is an expensive terminator.<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>? This option I like the best. No wasted weapons. Allows other guys to take the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>.<br /> <br /> Also, same question, but for a standard bearer. Who would be best?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ UnadoptedPuppy]]></author>
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				<title>Re:CML and Deathwing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think that there is really one right answer. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>: I don't think you are wasting the storm bolter. It is free, so it is a good way to keep him cheaper and it's an added bonus when shooting at infantry.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>: It does make for an expensive terminator, but it is already expensive when you give them the cyclone. The storm shield is nice when AP2 weapons get a shot at the missile, but since it is so expensive you don't want to take hits on purpose.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>: I don't really see the benefit of these. You don't get the defense of the storm shield, you don't have a storm bolter, and you lose the S8 attacks. It is good against power armour and less, but so is everything else.<br /> <br /> I know that probably doesn't answer your question, but I either go with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>. I usually prefer the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> if I have the points. I actually am using the banner of fortitude on a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> terminator and modeling him as an apothecary.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 19 Jul 2013 05:59:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ cpyke]]></author>
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				<title>Re:CML and Deathwing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'd say <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span> terminator. I'm making a few squads of various <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> terminators too. I was thinking at first of making terminator squads with all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, and/or all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>. After further research I've decided 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> & 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>. Sgt will get a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>. A <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span> on one of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> guys. <br /> <br /> Not to threadjack, but I'm wondering of the value of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> command squad? I like the idea of the banner and the Apothecary, but I'm unsure about the Champion?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:28:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ alarmingrick]]></author>
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				<title>CML and Deathwing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540775/5860588.page"><b>UnadoptedPuppy wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm building a bunch of terminators and am curious who to give the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CMLs</span>.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>? I see this most on the internet, but it doesn't really float my boat because of wasting the storm bolter.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>? This would make sense too, but a 74 point terminator is an expensive terminator.<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>? This option I like the best. No wasted weapons. Allows other guys to take the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>.<br /> <br /> Also, same question, but for a standard bearer. Who would be best?</div></blockquote> you can still shoot the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>sb</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>btw</span>!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:49:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ tommse]]></author>
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				<title>CML and Deathwing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540775/5860709.page"><b>tommse wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540775/5860588.page"><b>UnadoptedPuppy wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm building a bunch of terminators and am curious who to give the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CMLs</span>.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>? I see this most on the internet, but it doesn't really float my boat because of wasting the storm bolter.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>? This would make sense too, but a 74 point terminator is an expensive terminator.<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>? This option I like the best. No wasted weapons. Allows other guys to take the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>.<br /> <br /> Also, same question, but for a standard bearer. Who would be best?</div></blockquote> you can still shoot the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>sb</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>btw</span>!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You can!? That's handy. Do you mind pointing me to where it says I can?<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Not to threadjack, but I'm wondering of the value of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> command squad? I like the idea of the banner and the Apothecary, but I'm unsure about the Champion?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Champion, for me, has been useful at taking challenges against enemies with AP3 weapons, allowing a (usually) attached character to wreck the rest of the squad. Honestly though, you're taking a command squad for the banner. <br /> <br /> EDITE: Nevermind, I found where it says I can fire both. That seals the deal for me. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> it is!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:34:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ UnadoptedPuppy]]></author>
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				<title>CML and Deathwing</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540775/5861872.page"><b>UnadoptedPuppy wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540775/5860709.page"><b>tommse wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/540775/5860588.page"><b>UnadoptedPuppy wrote:</b></a><br/>I'm building a bunch of terminators and am curious who to give the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CMLs</span>.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>? I see this most on the internet, but it doesn't really float my boat because of wasting the storm bolter.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>? This would make sense too, but a 74 point terminator is an expensive terminator.<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span>? This option I like the best. No wasted weapons. Allows other guys to take the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>.<br /> <br /> Also, same question, but for a standard bearer. Who would be best?</div></blockquote> you can still shoot the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>sb</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>btw</span>!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You can!? That's handy. Do you mind pointing me to where it says I can?<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Not to threadjack, but I'm wondering of the value of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> command squad? I like the idea of the banner and the Apothecary, but I'm unsure about the Champion?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Champion, for me, has been useful at taking challenges against enemies with AP3 weapons, allowing a (usually) attached character to wreck the rest of the squad. Honestly though, you're taking a command squad for the banner. <br /> <br /> EDITE: Nevermind, I found where it says I can fire both. That seals the deal for me. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span> it is!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You can shoot the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(417);'>CML</span> same turn, should be in the section detailing cyclone missile launcher the wording if I recall corectly is "in addition to" for anyone who is still looking.<br /> <br /> Also, take the command squad and banner and apothicary if you want, you don't have to take the champion but for such a cheap upgrade to that AP2 at <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(74);'>init</span> weapon I think he is worth it.  I usually take him for when I think I'll be facing termis but not for a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> list]]></description>
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