greg0985 wrote:
I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities. I mean, yeah it's also proven an especially effective weapon against astrotelepathy and all, but if you think about it, Tyranids are practically all psychers. Without the SitW, I bet daemons would be ripping outta 'nid heads pretty much 24-7.

 Kain wrote:
Daemons react to it the same way Psykers do, with extreme pain and discomfort.

I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities.

 Ratius wrote:

I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities.

Not based on fluff unfortunately.

Unless you believe the Chaos Gods/Daemons are extra Galactic. What Warp entities might they defend against?

Point being: Nids are not from this/our Galaxy and therefore did not ever need to evolve a "defense" against Chaos, let alone Daemon entities.

Does Chaos exist in Andromada for example (our nearest "pure" Galaxy)? Only if there are beings there that feed it. Who knows.

Nids care not, Orks even less so

There's nothing Chaos gains out of fighting the swarm besides a good fight.

It dosent destroy that entity, it just suppresses it wholesale -

 Ratius wrote:

Are you referring to the Librarian that "established" contact with the HM?
He felt its emotions, akin to an Ant trying to understand Human logic/feelings.

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

 Ratius wrote:

Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

 Ratius wrote:

I still think the HM is singely the most powerful entity outside the Warp.

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
I think in some old fluff there was mention of a race that essentially beat the daemons in it's sector by controling the warp, but was wiped out by the IoM.

And in the Greyknight book it states that they gained their "Thesract Prisons" from another race, whom they ruined their relations with. Meaning somewhere out there is Xenos race which has the answer to the whole demon problem, but the GK have their heads to far up their arses that they don't want to talk to them...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Orks love daemons. They tend to give the best fights.

Necrons have tech specially designed to counter the warp.

Eldar also have tech like the necrons, though I would imagine their's to be slightly more efficient since they are psykers (or in the case of the DE, were psykers)

Tau handle daemons badly, it would seem. In that bit of fluff leaked from the Farsight supplement, the Tau forces had to answer to the sudden daemon invasion. However, Tau have no significant presence in the warp, so daemons tend to ignore them (unless there is a strong daemonic presence)

Tyranids treat daemons like everything else; swarm them. Though they would most likely avoid daemons when possible, due to the lack of biomass. Can't eat dreams after all.

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Orks love daemons. They tend to give the best fights.

Necrons have tech specially designed to counter the warp.

Eldar also have tech like the necrons, though I would imagine their's to be slightly more efficient since they are psykers (or in the case of the DE, were psykers)

Tau handle daemons badly, it would seem. In that bit of fluff leaked from the Farsight supplement, the Tau forces had to answer to the sudden daemon invasion. However, Tau have no significant presence in the warp, so daemons tend to ignore them (unless there is a strong daemonic presence)

Tyranids treat daemons like everything else; swarm them. Though they would most likely avoid daemons when possible, due to the lack of biomass. Can't eat dreams after all.

Drowzee used Dream Eater!! ... you... are... wrong!

P.s... Eldar tech is way more INefficient,.. destroy a soul/spirit stone.. bye soul! And if a Dark Eldar doesnt get to torture anytime soon he ages/loses life force etc hence he dies...

Tau can shoot daemons back into the warp easy... but it doesnt happen often... Daemons would rather fight humans,.. they who have a very delicious warp signature and are easily corrupted and twisted around their fingers ready to be manipulated or posessed... Plus they hate the Emperor... and im guessing they would very much like to see humanity wiped out... or used as an eternal feeding ground... Though i believe there was a GW book that told that Chaos devouring the galaxy is an eternal returning process... They whipe the universe out... universe reboots.... chaos is reborn.... chaos feasts once more...

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Therein also lies the greatest danger,


the better a psycher you are the larger your warp signal becomes,.. thus larger predators try to claim your soul! Thus difficulty of resistance increases.

 Ratius wrote:
Unless you believe the Chaos Gods/Daemons are extra Galactic. What Warp entities might they defend against?

Point being: Nids are not from this/our Galaxy and therefore did not ever need to evolve a "defense" against Chaos, let alone Daemon entities.

Does Chaos exist in Andromada for example (our nearest "pure" Galaxy)? Only if there are beings there that feed it. Who knows.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

 Ascalam wrote:
Depends on the Xenos.

Orks are amazingly resilient, mentally and physically, and have no issues fighting daemons.

Waaagh Tuska went into the eye of terror and facesmashed daemons until they finally ran out of orks, Khorne himself was so impressed he transplanted some to his realm. Orks are pretty much fearless, especially en masse.

Eldar fear daemons, and are vulnerable to them, but make up for it in overwhelming firepower.

Tau have little warp-presence, so don't really attract daemons much. The are more than capable of shooting the gak out of them if they do show up.

DE - see Eldar, but even more paranoid about not attracting daemonic attention, hence no psykers allowed.

Grey Knights are Daemon-hunting specialists, so they are better than most at killing them, Humanity as a whole is not.

 PrinceRaven wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

Fluffwise they can't, they're driven mad simply by being within the shadow and attempting to use their power causes severe neural damage and is likely to kill them.

Iracundus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

Fluffwise they can't, they're driven mad simply by being within the shadow and attempting to use their power causes severe neural damage and is likely to kill them.

Fluffwise they can.

Farseer Kelmon and the Farseer council of Iyanden used psychic power to transmit their appeal for aid to Yriel, and subsequently they also used their powers to fight the Tyranids on board Iyanden. Kelmon's body was described as being surrounded by Tyranid bodies burnt by psychic fire. All this is from the Iyanden supplement.

The Shadow in the Warp makes things hard and dangerous, but not impossible.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Probably the various paraphernalia Eldar psykers have to make using their psychic powers safe, combined with how powerful they are, allows them to use their powers while under the shadow. I doubt any human psykers would be able to.