<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887883.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887883.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, I had a thought about the PDF on Space Marine homeworlds. Would the chapter located there have a part in training the PDF to competent levels? Maybe a chapter master has the foresight to train the human soldiers into a better fighting force to help repel invasions?
The PDF on ultramarine worlds is i believe trained by the ultramarines and they do fight beside them.

There is no logical reason why the marine chapter would not have a hand in training the local pdf forces of their homeworld.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887942.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
Space Wolves do not interact much with the feral human tribes unless any of the warriors show promise.

However they do arm and train their surfs who perform defense duties around the Fang or aboard their craft. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887979.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
Daston wrote:
Space Wolves do not interact much with the feral human tribes unless any of the warriors show promise.


This I suspect is the way *most* Marine chapters operate, but only because the Marines are perfectly capable of defending their own homeworld without a PDF...! We know that Blood Angels don't have a PDF because of Baal's (lack of) social structure in its tribes as well, the basics for recruiting and maintaining a PDF simply aren't there.
There's no mention of such a PDF being involved with the Rynn's World disaster for the Crimson Fists either.

However, there are going to be exceptions - Ultramarines are one noted example - and I would think "friendlier" chapters like the Salamanders may do the same.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5887995.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888281.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
 Super Ready wrote:
Daston wrote:
Space Wolves do not interact much with the feral human tribes unless any of the warriors show promise.


This I suspect is the way *most* Marine chapters operate, but only because the Marines are perfectly capable of defending their own homeworld without a PDF...! We know that Blood Angels don't have a PDF because of Baal's (lack of) social structure in its tribes as well, the basics for recruiting and maintaining a PDF simply aren't there.
There's no mention of such a PDF being involved with the Rynn's World disaster for the Crimson Fists either.

However, there are going to be exceptions - Ultramarines are one noted example - and I would think "friendlier" chapters like the Salamanders may do the same.
On a chapter homeworld with the infrastructure and technology level to maintain a PDF force i would expect a chapter to at least have some input in the training of a PDF force.

On a feral world like Fenris a PDF force would not be feasable.

It would depend on the chapter homeworld if a PDF defense force is feasable]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888307.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888307.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
 Super Ready wrote:
Daston wrote:
Space Wolves do not interact much with the feral human tribes unless any of the warriors show promise.


This I suspect is the way *most* Marine chapters operate, but only because the Marines are perfectly capable of defending their own homeworld without a PDF...! We know that Blood Angels don't have a PDF because of Baal's (lack of) social structure in its tribes as well, the basics for recruiting and maintaining a PDF simply aren't there.
There's no mention of such a PDF being involved with the Rynn's World disaster for the Crimson Fists either.

However, there are going to be exceptions - Ultramarines are one noted example - and I would think "friendlier" chapters like the Salamanders may do the same.


Rynn's World is SM recruiting/base world , but CFs didn't own it - it's Imperial World with PDF under Imperial command and whole nine yards. In this case i think SMs are NOT encouraged to form overly close ties, and frankly CFs left impression of arrogant pr!cks with superiority complex larger than of Black Templars. So Rynnsguards were not under chapter command.
If history to be continued, i think we'll see that (much humbled and wisened) SMs will take part in PDF's rebuild.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888314.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
chyron wrote:
Rynn's World is SM recruiting/home world , but CFs didn't own it - it has Imperial Governor with PDF under imperial command and whole nine yards. In this case i think SMs are NOT encouraged to form overly close ties, and frankly CFs left impression of arrogant pr!cks. So Rynnsguards were not under chapter command.


Not according to the Crimson Fists IA article, said article stated the planet was granted them as a fiefdom in 945.M40. However they follow Dorn's *ahem* hands-off approach to rulership and allows a hereditary governor to handle the day-to-day operations.


 Super Ready wrote:

There's no mention of such a PDF being involved with the Rynn's World disaster for the Crimson Fists either..


Crimson Fists IA: "Kantor witnessed the destruction of his chapter from afar, but set aside his grief to consolidate what little power he still commanded. Going to ground, Kantor resolved to make for New Rynn City, where a small contingent of Crimson Fists stood beside the local militia."

Local militia = PDF.

This picture, was subsequently described as being Pedro Kantory, however its original appearance was in the Crimson Fists IA, wherein it was stated to be a mere Veteran Sergeant, the iconography on the powerfist was specifically stated to be the heraldry of the New Rynn City Guard. http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110129110827/warhammer40k/images/7/74/Marine_crimsonfist.jpg

To answer the basic question: CAN a chapter do it. The answer is yes. In Forge Worlds writeup the Badab War initially began as the result of a trade dispute between the Badab and Kathargo Sectors: the Astral Claws had legitimately taken control of the Badab Sector after it fell to anarchy, the Astral Claws then withheld materiel that was due to the Karthans because it was needed to re-build and re-arm the Badab military. The Karthans took the issue to the Imperial Courts where it went unresolved for over a century because the Space Marine commanders do have the legal authority and indeed duty to raise and maintain an army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888360.page GMT Re:Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
Not only that, but Space Marine chapters have to be very careful about making too much of a personal involvement in PDFs. Just look at what happened in the build up to the Badab War. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5888400.page GMT Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
However the few worlds that have high populations and are owned by the chapter (usually first or second, as most forge/hive worlds are now strictly controlled and heavily defended by the ad mech/admin so they will not relinquish control to a more recently founded chapter) will have a PDF which is nominally controlled and trained by one of the chapter masters, but like most of the chapter master titles the heavy lifting will be performed by high up serfs and officers in the PDF. As chapter worlds are without tithe (bar geneseed) they will have no need to ship off any human soldiers to the IG (the Ultramarines are an exception due to how well they are organised and their resources), but a chapter buildibg a massive PDF will probably begin to attract Inquisitor attention.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5889877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5889877.page GMT Re:Can Space Marines train Homeworld PDF?
If I recall correctly, Space Marine home planets are exempt from paying tithes. This might vary by source.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5890063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/542450/5890063.page GMT