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				<description><![CDATA[ <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> <br /> Chaos Lord <br /> Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Independent Character<br /> Mark of Nurgle , Palanquin of Nurgle <br /> Terminator Armour<br /> Combi-bolter, The Black Mace <br /> <br /> Troops<br /> <br /> Plague Marines (Troops) <br /> Fearless, Feel No Pain, Mark of Nurgle<br /> 4x Plague Marine, 2x Plasma Gun <br /> Chaos Rhino <br /> Repair<br /> Combi-bolter, Searchlight, Smoke launchers<br /> Plague Champion<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span><br /> <br /> Plague Marines (Troops) <br /> Fearless, Feel No Pain, Mark of Nurgle<br /> 4x Plague Marine  2x Plasma Gun <br /> Chaos Rhino <br /> Repair<br /> Combi-bolter, Searchlight, Smoke launchers<br /> Plague Champion <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span><br /> <br /> Fast Attack <br /> <br /> Heldrake <br /> Daemon, Daemonforge, It Will Not Die, Meteroric Descent<br /> Baleflamer<br /> Heldrake <br /> Daemon, Daemonforge, It Will Not Die, Meteroric Descent<br /> Baleflamer<br /> <br /> Heavy Support <br /> <br /> Chaos Vindicator <br /> Siege Shield <br /> <br /> Obliterators <br /> Bulky, Daemon, Deep Strike, Obliterator Weapons, Slow and Purposeful<br /> Mark of Nurgle , 3x Obliterator<br /> <br /> Obliterators <br /> Bulky, Daemon, Deep Strike, Obliterator Weapons, Slow and Purposeful<br /> Mark of Nurgle ), 3x Obliterator <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:10:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ azrealx]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You really need to take away those point values first off, it's against the rules.<br /> <br /> Anyways, I'm always very leery about rhinos nowadays, I would probably take them away and add another squad or cultists at least.   Also, plague marines are most efficient at 5 man squads, since they don't pay a sergeant upgrade and can still take 2 special weapons anyway.<br /> Only 2 troops is also a huge liability nowadays.<br /> I would take away the vindicator.  I know, I loved them in 6th, but now they just don't work.  Even in 5th though just 1 vindicator won't do anything.  I recommend either 3 or none.  For future reference, don't take siege shields, take dozer blades.  If you roll a 1 twice God meant for that thing to be immobilized.<br /> Also, you can't take terminator armor and a palanquin.<br /> <br /> With all the cuts I recommended you should easily be able to fit in a few more troops.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:25:01]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ herpguy]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543892/5909991.page"><b>herpguy wrote:</b></a><br/>You really need to take away those point values first off, it's against the rules.<br /> <br /> Anyways, I'm always very leery about rhinos nowadays, I would probably take them away and add another squad or cultists at least.   Also, plague marines are most efficient at 5 man squads, since they don't pay a sergeant upgrade and can still take 2 special weapons anyway.<br /> Only 2 troops is also a huge liability nowadays.<br /> I would take away the vindicator.  I know, I loved them in 6th, but now they just don't work.  Even in 5th though just 1 vindicator won't do anything.  I recommend either 3 or none.  For future reference, don't take siege shields, take dozer blades.  If you roll a 1 twice God meant for that thing to be immobilized.<br /> Also, you can't take terminator armor and a palanquin.<br /> <br /> With all the cuts I recommended you should easily be able to fit in a few more troops.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Was just about to say about the pts values. And, I'd completely agree, I think the rule is 1 troop choice per 500pts, so you should probably have at least 3 troops there, but I'd probably go for 4, because the first thing your enemy will target is your troops in objective games. I would also agree about the Vindicator, you're better off with a Predator in 6th Edition, or even just scrapping it for more troops.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:30:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ BrotherOfBone]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd also drop the Black Mace from the Chaos Lord due to it's AP4. It is one hundred times better on a Daemon Prince due to his AP2.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Aug 2013 18:58:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ welshhoppo]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Also, the lord is illegal as you can't have both the Palaquin and Terminator armour. (See point 2 in the wargear section).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 3 Aug 2013 21:22:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Kiredor]]></author>
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