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And if so, what would such an entity be like?

Also, what is the greatest being the ruinous-powers have been successful at converting, aside from the Primarchs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911128.page GMT Ruinous http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911133.page GMT Ruinous
VampireDeLaVega wrote:
I would imagine if they really did try their hardest, they might be able to corrupt the Hive Mind and C'tans.

Nah, both of those are explicitly said to have resistance to warp stuff. The Hive Mind especially, since it has its Shadow in the Warp thing, which lets it shut down any sort of warp energy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911217.page GMT Re:Ruinous "Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear. It is impossible to say for how long the Emperor can survive in this condition. It is unlikely that even he really knows how much time is left to him before the tenuous hold upon his physical body is broken by weakness or finally rent apart by insanity."

Realm of Chaos : The Lost and the Damned - page 185

Ergo, yes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911773.page GMT Ruinous http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911881.page GMT Ruinous Thing is, the Chaos gods are getting in the mind of the emperor. And it's not something he really likes/wants.
The seeds of doubt and fear, I call it corruption.
But in the end, we know as a fact that the emperor is not outside of the god's reach, and he's nowhere safe from them. They already are in his mind and have an influence on him. Is that influence corruptive ? Matter of perspective I guess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911888.page GMT Ruinous
To be truly corrupted, not possessed or blackmailed or forced, some part of you has to want it. If the God Emperor wants it, corruption is a possibility... In my opinion though, the God Emperor is dead for all intents and purposes, and because of that can't be corrupted. In life he couldn't be corrupted because he was unwilling to share any power, not because of theological differences or holiness. He was a xenophobic tyrant who literally exterminated entire species and obliterated worlds, just because he liked to conquer things.
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To be truly corrupted, not possessed or blackmailed or forced, some part of you has to want it

That's not true. Like, not true at all.
Corruption is a change, a shift. It can come from the inside, but also from an external source. Just like what happens to the emperor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911913.page GMT Ruinous
 LoneLictor wrote:
Chaos is powered by thoughts and emotions.

To be truly corrupted, not possessed or blackmailed or forced, some part of you has to want it. If the God Emperor wants it, corruption is a possibility... In my opinion though, the God Emperor is dead for all intents and purposes, and because of that can't be corrupted. In life he couldn't be corrupted because he was unwilling to share any power...


I think there's a lot of truth in this. If the Emperor is still alive, I think he knows the threat of Chaos well enough to steel his mind against their corrupting influence. However, hes not quite himself at the moment, and from that old Realm of Chaos quote, it sounds more like the Gods are focusing on weakening the Emperor so he dies faster, and less on tempting him to pledge himself to them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5911957.page GMT Re:Ruinous http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912058.page GMT Ruinous
During the edict of Nikaea he basically says due to him having swum the depths of the warp, he doesn't want other people to do it. Which proves he has the ability to resist / survive Chaos / the Warp and others don't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912153.page GMT Ruinous
 Serevor wrote:
We can take this quote by every way. Try to make those words mean whatever we want them to mean.
Thing is, the Chaos gods are getting in the mind of the emperor. And it's not something he really likes/wants.
The seeds of doubt and fear, I call it corruption.
But in the end, we know as a fact that the emperor is not outside of the god's reach, and he's nowhere safe from them. They already are in his mind and have an influence on him. Is that influence corruptive ? Matter of perspective I guess.

Hmm, nah. At best it says that they're exerting only a fairly minor influence over him. And even then, only when he's on the verge of death. They're not able to control him or instil outright terror into him.

Maybe this influence will grow if their "seeds" take root, but as is, we can see that even when near death Big E is largely resistant to Chaotic influence.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912322.page GMT Re:Ruinous
He was incorruptible whilst alive due to being Anathema to Chaos.

During the edict of Nikaea he basically says due to him having swum the depths of the warp, he doesn't want other people to do it. Which proves he has the ability to resist / survive Chaos / the Warp and others don't.

He wasn't incorruptible, proof is he's being corrupted. No one is incorruptible. Stray from the Matt Ward rethoric a bit and read the actual background.
Your other point is fallacious at best. By the time of Nikaea, Magnus already bathed himself in the Warp. He wasn't yet a daemon prince of Tzeentch, right ? Does that prove he was anathemaimmunetoChaos ? Quite the contrary, in fact.

Hmm, nah. At best it says that they're exerting only a fairly minor influence over him. And even then, only when he's on the verge of death. They're not able to control him or instil outright terror into him.

Maybe this influence will grow if their "seeds" take root, but as is, we can see that even when near death Big E is largely resistant to Chaotic influence.

The emperor is dead. His soul, in the Warp is being attacked by the Chaos gods who are having fun with him. And this may drive him insane if he's not fortunate enough to die from his wounds beforehand. That may be "minor" to you, but I doubt the emperor finds it minor.
That's what the RoC quote meant. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912596.page GMT Re:Ruinous
 Serevor wrote:
The emperor is dead.

He's not. The Golden Throne is a big life support machine. The end of the current timeline has it failing and the mechanicus being unable to repair it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912675.page GMT Ruinous http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912768.page GMT Ruinous
 Serevor wrote:
"Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever"


Dead body. His brain and mind is still intact, iirc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912784.page GMT Ruinous
 Serevor wrote:
"Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever"

Surely that's saying that he's not completely dead, then? It clearly says that parts of him are being kept alive, therefore he isn't dead in the world outside the warp like you said he was.

Honestly, that's just a very confusing quote. Surely if the cells and brain are alive, then the body is too some small extent too?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912890.page GMT Re:Ruinous was dead, and the golden throne just maintains the tenuous link between his body and his soul.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5912927.page GMT Re:Ruinous
Dead body. His brain and mind is still intact, iirc.

The brain is an important part of the body, you know.


Surely that's saying that he's not completely dead, then? It clearly says that parts of him are being kept alive, therefore he isn't dead in the world outside the warp like you said he was.

Honestly, that's just a very confusing quote. Surely if the cells and brain are alive, then the body is too some small extent too?

Braindead.
You know, even when you die, your cells keep living their own lives for some time, before dying in the end.
I sure think it's a confusing quote for those who would like it to say something else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5913005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5913005.page GMT Ruinous http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5921137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5921137.page GMT Re:Ruinous
 Serevor wrote:
"Even the Golden Throne cannot keep the cells of the Emperor's dead body alive forever. Over the millennia the link between his soul and body has become increasingly tenuous. Worse of all, the Powers of Chaos have begun to infiltrate his mind, sowing seeds of doubt, dissolution and fear. It is impossible to say for how long the Emperor can survive in this condition. It is unlikely that even he really knows how much time is left to him before the tenuous hold upon his physical body is broken by weakness or finally rent apart by insanity."

Realm of Chaos : The Lost and the Damned - page 185

Ergo, yes.


HAHA yes... Death to the false Emperor!
That was exactly what I wanted to hear here ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5921768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/543961/5921768.page GMT