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				<description><![CDATA[ I've been trying to figure out a "generalist" semi competitive list at the 1k point level that I could use against most opponents without needing to come up with a new list every game and this is what I came up with... I would appreciate construction comments and suggestions.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- <br /> <br /> Biker Warboss - 155pts<br /> Power Klaw, Attack Squig, Cybork Body, Bosspole<br /> <br /> <font color='blue'>Elites- </font><br /> <br /> 5 Lootas - 75pts<br /> <font color='red'><br /> Troops-</font><br /> <br /> 5 Nob Bikers - 280pts<br /> Kombi-skorchas, Painboy<br /> <br /> 20 Shoota Boyz - 170pts<br /> 2x Big Shoota, Nob/w Power Klaw, Bosspole<br /> <br /> 15 Gretchin + 1 Runtherder - 55pts<br /> <font color='green'><br /> Fast Attack-</font><br /> <br /> Dakkajet - 130pts<br /> Extra Twin-Linked Supa Shoota, Flyboss<br /> <font color='Orange'><br /> Heavy Support-</font><br /> <br /> Battlewagon - 135pts<br /> Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, 4x Big Shoota<br /> <br /> 1000pts]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I reckon you'd be better off with two battlewagons, or two dakkajets, as opposed to one of each.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:26:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Dakkamite]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well originally I did have two battlewagons in this list but in this version I do not because they take up a lot of points and are not always worth those points unless you make them extremely cheap in which case I would just run a wagon rush list but I'm not persuaded that a wagon rush is superior to this list. On the other I'm sure how I would move the points around to get another dakkajet either. What I do know is that bikers, especially nob bikers are a pain to deal with at this point level and will chew though almost anything but I didn't want them to be the only target. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Aug 2013 19:33:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ArchVile]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd drop the Kombi Scorchas on the Bikers myself to save on some points.  They're one-use only per Nob and the Bike's <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> Dakkagun will chew up infantry just as easily, if not more so, than the Scorchas will.  That'll get ya another 25pts to play with easily.  Drop the Grots for another 55.  Lose the Big Shootas in the mob for another 20.  Unless you're running the mob up to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, drop the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> on the Nob for another 25.  There's 125pts right there for a DakkaJet minus the Flyboss.  Drop the Bosspole off of the Nob as well and you can take Flyboss with DakkaJet #2.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Aug 2013 23:23:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DieselJester]]></author>
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				<title>Re:1k Orks Redo</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'm fine with dropping the Kombi-skorchas, I just added them for a little extra versatility. I'm not so sure about dropping the grots tho, they fill an important role which is sitting on a back field objective (or a mobile shield). Only two troops seems like a gamble. Also ideally the boyz are going to leave the wagon eventually but unless I'm fighting Tau or something there not going into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>, so I could drop the nob.<br /> <br /> Here is a edited version of the list based on the comments...<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-<br /> <br /> Biker Warboss - 155pts<br /> Power Klaw, Attack Squig, Cybork Body, Bosspole<br /> <br /> <font color='blue'>Elites-</font><br /> <br /> 5 Lootas - 75pts<br /> <font color='red'><br /> Troops-</font><br /> <br /> 4 Nob Bikers - 210pts<br /> Painboy<br /> <br /> 20 Shoota Boyz - 130pts<br /> 2x Big Shoota<br /> <br /> 15 Gretchin + 1 Runtherder - 55pts<br /> <br /> <font color='green'>Fast Attack-</font><br /> <br /> Dakkajet - 120pts<br /> Extra Twin-Linked Supa Shoota<br /> <br /> Dakkajet - 120pts<br /> Extra Twin-Linked Supa Shoota<br /> <font color='orange'><br /> Heavy Support-</font><br /> <br /> Battlewagon - 135pts<br /> Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, 4x Big Shoota<br /> <br /> 1000pts<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 02:47:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ ArchVile]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The biker Nobz are a point sink that will die quickly and do little damage. I'm hoping you bought them all cybork bodies, that will help a lot, but they've got no gear. They need 1-2 Power Klaws and a WAAAGH banner if you really want to emphasize their effectiveness. Otherwise, they just don't give enough bang for their buck.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 03:33:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ at 1k i would not do nob bikes! they cost to much and so many walking boyz or in battlewagons can do you way better!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 03:48:42]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Orkimedezz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>Lol</span>, why is it that when I advise against Nob Bikers in one thread I'm fighting the tide, but in this one we've already got two people saying that?<br /> <br /> I would certainly keep the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(609);'>KS</span> on the Nob Bikers, or at least on any that get big choppas or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>. Don't underestimate the effects of getting like, 6 hits per biker at S5 AP4 for just 5 points.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 04:19:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Dakkamite]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't like nob bikers cus you kill 2-3 and ur forced to take a leadership and pretty high chance of failing. Iv used them many times and they just run off the bored or get to shoot once or twice never assult:/]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 04:53:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Orkimedezz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I dunno, I've found them actually really useful along with DeffKoptas.  They're really underrated <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>.  I like to take Nob Bikers as opposed to regular bikers just because of the 2 wounds as opposed to one.  The painboy with them gives them <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> and Cybork if you pay the points for them which could up their survivability a lot.<br /> <br /> If you were to run Wazadakka Gutsmek as opposed to the Warboss, you'd get the Bike of the Aporkalypse which is just freakin awesome to be able to turbo boost AND fire its weapons.  You can be all the way across the board with your biker mob in one turn!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:44:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DieselJester]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ My nob bikers have been the star of each of my games. The games I lost I tried to just run warbikers not with the nob upgrades. <br /> <br /> I think the dakkagun is a good enough weapon to hit before an assault. I use 5 bikers with the warboss. painboy, cyborks, 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>pks</span>, waaagh banner. <br /> <br /> These guys are a force to be reckoned with. But yes at 1000 pts, that is half of your army right there. So it may be fine to just do the 4 bikes with maybe only the one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>pk</span>. I also run 2 BWs and a squad of lootas. the lootas can take down fliers if you roll a 2 or 3 on their d3. Only shooting at BS1 isnt a big leap for them. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:50:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Icculus]]></author>
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