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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Assault Noise Marines"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Assault Noise Marines NM 's I5 so I'd like to make an assault squad.
Thinking 6 marines, add CCWs & VotLW, add doom siren & Claw champ and ride in a Rhino.
Disembark, rapid fire &template then either assault or throw up an overwatch.

The other option is to put them in a Land Raider with a Lord attached. Maybe extra bodies and FnP.

Thoughts? Advice?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5924745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5924745.page GMT Assault Noise Marines
If you want to do CC noise marines, I'd either do them on foot, en masse, or in a land raider with a slaanesh lord (or sorcerer). Doom siren plus dirge casters plus an optional witchfire followed up by an I5 charge with two characters (one with a fast weapon, the other with an Ap2 one) for challenge management sounds like it would do fine.

I don't know how much I'd bother with sonic weapons, apart from maybe just a blastmaster or just a couple of sonic blasters as backup weapons. I also don't know how much I'd bother taking them in a squad as small as 6. Just what were you anticipating beating in close combat with that few of models?

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Six was primarily an attempt to be fluffy with the idea that the champion was actually carrying the squad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5926227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5926227.page GMT Assault Noise Marines
Also nothing wrong with 10 Noise Marines stepping out of a Rhino to bolter something and then assault in the next turn. Give the Rhino a Dirge Caster and Combi Weapon as well for a nifty close in assault unit. CSM's with MoS can perform a similar role for a few points less but aren't fearless and will be missing out on the Doom Siren but can take 2x Flamers and a Combi-Flamer Champ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5926607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5926607.page GMT Re:Assault Noise Marines CL to make NM troops. Although not fluffy, he can confer infiltrate on a few squads. As long as they are inside dedicated transports you can infiltrate the transports, up drive forward 6" dump NM out 6" and assault the next turn. If you have other units like bikers and spawns to help draw fire too, you should have enough marines to make a dent next turn. I might even just standard CSM with MoS instead to save on points, although the fearless is nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927404.page GMT Assault Noise Marines CCWs and mark them for Slaanesh.

You want Noise Marines to be laying out ridiculous amounts of Ignores Cover fire. No one wants to assault a squad of these guys when they will get hit by all that mess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927426.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927426.page GMT Assault Noise Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927451.page GMT Assault Noise Marines

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Thing is, if you want I5 Marines for assault why not take regular Slaanesh Marines which are cheaper and don't require a Slaanesh Lord to be Troops?

Natural Fearless means I can take FnP as well.
Plus access to doom siren.
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DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
The regular flamer isn't AP3. I'd agree that the swarm of 20 Slaanesh-marked CSM with BP, CCW, and an attached Fearless IC is a better choice than paying for Noise Marines, though.

That may be but I'm thinking of 9-10 bodies, either in a Rhino or Land Raider.
Raider is more assault oriented but much more expensive whereas Rhino is for rapid fire and doom siren with the option of assaulting next turn.

My gut tells me that Fearless I5 FnP Marines are worth looking into.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5927814.page GMT Assault Noise Marines
If you're just wanting a close-in firefight unit, then I guess I could see a smallish unit with sonic weapons. The idea would be that they'd get close and then flush weak infantry out of cover on objectives. In this case, though, I'd still take a land raider over a rhino, which will do nothing more than kill a couple of marines with an explosion and give your opponent first blood.

That, or I'd outflank them with a slaanesh lord. This would also give you the added benefit of having more punch in case the only thing in your opponent's backfield isn't just some weak infantry holding an objective. Given that he's kind of fast as well, and can split off and attack something else, you get more strategic advantages as well.

I'd agree, though, that taking noise marines just to plink with a blast master is a pretty bad waste of points. Just buy another helldrake, or give an HQ choice you're already bringing a burning brand. Or do some close combat, or something.

In any case, noise marines are an elites choice, and should be used as such. If you just want to plink with power armored models, then buy some havocs and be done with it.

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You could even hide in the rhino if you had to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928326.page GMT Re:Assault Noise Marines BP+CCW you don't want to be assaulting unless its to beat up something even worse at assaults.

Noise Marines want to shoot, and they can beat up other non-melee units up. Like Fire Warriors or Guardsmen. Don't assault unless its to mop something up.

At best, I5 is something to hang over your opponent considering charging the Noise Marines. Does he want to take a bunch of hits before he swings?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928338.page GMT Assault Noise Marines

minigun762 wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
The regular flamer isn't AP3. I'd agree that the swarm of 20 Slaanesh-marked CSM with BP, CCW, and an attached Fearless IC is a better choice than paying for Noise Marines, though.

Thing is trying to tool them up to ride in the Rhino, get out and shoot, and then assault next turn is going to be incredibly expensive, and since this is 6th, they will rarely get the pay-off they need to justify what you are paying for them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928393.page GMT Assault Noise Marines CCWs and bolters, the Noise Marines are still more expensive.

Seriously, don't waste a shooty unit on an assault role. Noise Marines shoot things. Chaos Marines do anything they want.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928420.page GMT Re:Assault Noise Marines IMO.

Bikes will be T5 with that FnP, which makes a heck of a difference. And Terminators have power weapons. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928421.page GMT Assault Noise Marines
Putting aside FnP or Fearless, the doom siren is the biggest difference between the two. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928670.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5928670.page GMT Assault Noise Marines http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5929061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5929061.page GMT Assault Noise Marines

minigun762 wrote:I suppose the other option is to go MSU with only the doom siren and a rhino.
You could even hide in the rhino if you had to.

Why bother in a codex with burning brands and helldrakes?

You're talking about small, fragile squads that aren't likely to get anywhere, much less get a solid shot of on anything. If what you want is special weapons, take chosen or havocs or obliterators. Something that can put down more than a single non-torrent flamer shot.

Grey Templar wrote:I5 is a trap. Unless you actually have melee weapons beyond BP+CCW you don't want to be assaulting unless its to beat up something even worse at assaults.

... which is most things. There are things better than noise marines in close combat, but that doesn't mean that they're near the bottom of the pool. Having access to both FNP AND the ability to swing before, rather than concurrently, with most things in the game adds a great deal of durability. On a fearless unit. With power armor, and 4's in statlines.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:making ten-man units with I5 and Feel N Pain, CCWs and bolters, the Noise Marines are still more expensive.

10 CSM with CCW+bolters with MoS and IoE is 210 points. 10 noise marines with CCW+bolters and IoE is 220 points.

So, for 1 whole point per model, you get fearless and access to sonic weapons. The question here isn't why you would take noise marines, it's why you would bother with MoS CSM.

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Of course, if you don't think they're very good, than you don't HAVE to take one.

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It's like saying that a squad of guardsmen without a meltagun costs 10 points less than a squad of guardsmen with a meltagun. So?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5929278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5929278.page GMT Assault Noise Marines NM squads in Rhinos with Bolter+BP+CCW, IoE, and a Champ with Doom Siren and PW. They're a pretty solid unit for grabbing objectives, providing mid/close range shooting, or even assaulting other units off of objectives. My usual plan of attack is to have them roll up next to an enemy squad, hit them with the Doom Siren, then next turn get out and hose them down again with the Siren and rapid fire boltguns, and if they're still standing the turn after that, fire the Siren again along with your pistols, and make your charge. Also with FnP, they can still at least make some save against all of the AP3/2 that seems to be in vogue.

That said, I wouldn't run them for the explicit intent of having them in assault. If you want a real choppy option, consider allying in some fluffy Slaanesh Daemon allies, a 20 (wo)man squad of Daemonettes for your troops along with a Herald of Slaanesh on a Steed with either the Grimoire of True Names for a 3++, or the Greater Aetherblade accompanied by 10-20 seekers, and maybe a Soul Grinder or a second squad of Daemonettes should do the trick. With their bonuses to movement, they can advance up the field rapidly, and with the massive amount of rending attacks they can dump out they'll tear units with 2+ saves apart, provided they don't get shot up by enemy fire on the way there. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5929374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/544872/5929374.page GMT Assault Noise Marines
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