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				<description><![CDATA[ Im hopefully going to my first Irish tournament end of Sept and need a bit of help/tweaking with my list.<br /> First off: its an all comers list. I fully expect to be crushed VS the more tailored, "hardcore" lists but they are two armies I like and enjoy playing.<br /> Im up to about 1550 points with it and tourney rules are 1650 max with usual restrictions.<br /> <br /> The obvious weaknesses are no hand to hand capability whatsoever, limited long range <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> or VS heavy armor, 24" range optimally and potentially few scoring troops if Platoons blob.<br />  <br /> Here is my list.<br /> Space Wolves primary:<br /> <br /> Rune Priest <br /> Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning, Rune Axe<br /> Power ArmourBolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades, Runic Weapon<br /> <br /> 5x Grey Hunter<br /> 5x Bolt Pistol, 4x Bolter, 5x Close Combat Weapon, 5x Frag & Krak Grenades, Meltagun, 5x Power Armour<br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 5x Grey Hunter <br /> 5x Bolt Pistol, 4x Bolter, 5x Close Combat Weapon, 5x Frag & Krak Grenades, Meltagun , 5x Power Armour<br /> Rhino <br /> <br /> 4x Long Fang with Missile Launcher <br /> Squad Leader<br /> <br /> 4x Long Fang with Lascannon <br /> Squad Leader <br /> <br /> Vindicator<br /> <br /> Demolisher Cannon, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> with quad gun<br /> <br /> Landspeeder, Multimelta, Multimelta<br /> <br /> Landspeeder, Multimelta, Multimelta<br /> <br /> Landspeeder, Multimelta, Multimelta<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> allies<br /> <br /> Company Command Squad <br /> Astropath  Officer of the Fleet <br /> Company Commander <br /> Bolt Pistol  Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br /> <br /> 3x Ratling <br /> <br /> Infantry Platoon <br /> Infantry Squad Autocannon <br /> Sergeant <br /> Bolt Pistol , Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br /> Infantry Squad Autocannon <br /> Sergeant <br /> Bolt Pistol  Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br />  Platoon Command Squad <br />  Commissar <br /> Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon <br /> <br /> Platoon Commander<br />  Bolt Pistol , Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br /> Infantry Platoon <br /> Infantry Squad Autocannon <br /> Sergeant <br /> Bolt Pistol , Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br /> Infantry Squad Autocannon <br /> Sergeant <br /> Bolt Pistol  Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br />  Platoon Command Squad <br />  Commissar <br /> Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon <br /> <br /> Platoon Commander<br />  Bolt Pistol , Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br /> Griffon <br /> <br /> A few thoughts:<br /> <br /> Astropath and Officer are fairly obvious if a little price heavy.<br /> Ratlings are there literally to man the quad gun.<br /> 3x Speeders with +1 reserves should hopefully be able to get a turn 2 strike on enemy vehicles via <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(471);'>DS</span> or can deploy normally.<br /> Platoons can blob VS certain armies or split VS others.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(293);'>RP</span> is mainly there for anti-psyker, jaws and 5+ cover if needed.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(450);'>LFs</span> I've split into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>Lcs</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>MLs</span> to try and mitigate coming up against <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LRs</span> or Monoliths.<br /> Always had luck /results with the Griffon, hence its inclusion.<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> + quad as standard.<br /> Vindicator for cheapish str10 and blast.<br /> <br /> Any ideas are more than welcome, Im a long time <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> player but entering my first tournament is daunting to say the least.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Need help with my first tournament army @1650</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Normally tournaments are <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(316);'>kp</span> based in at least the secondary , my suggestion would be to squadron 2 speeders drop the third and flesh out your grey hunters more with the points that way you have at least some melee ability. A lone wolf in termie armor with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>ss</span> wouldn't be bad either. If your only at 1550 dropping the ratings wouldn't be bad either 3 models is a free kill point <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>, also some carapace armor for the blob so you could ignore <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(477);'>wws</span> ]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Need help with my first tournament army @1650</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah its a somewhat strange ruleset Jpat. No real secondary <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(316);'>KPs</span> (ish).<br /> I posted it here for evaluation if you could give me some pointers:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/543714.page" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/543714.page</a><br /> <br /> Only problem with squadroning the speeders is squadron targeting rules - I'd be down to targeting one tank per turn and that might well be overkill with 4xMMs. With 3x1 I get 3 targets?<br /> I agree I need a little bit of melle but have 100 points to play with. How would you use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(495);'>LW</span> in the list?<br /> <br /> I hope the Ratlings never get hit being honest(I have a very oldschol model army - 2nd edition Ratlings so behind the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(637);'>ADL</span> with quad gun they literally cant be seen). Hence their BS4 on the quad.<br /> <br /> Carapace for the whole Blob is excessively expensive Im afraid :(<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 9 Aug 2013 21:04:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:Need help with my first tournament army @1650</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(495);'>lw</span> I would put him in the worst possible place for him to be(ie infront of Death Star ECT) either that give him <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(254);'>MBs</span> and run him into the enemy tank lines. Basically they would ave to target him or he would do ALOT of damnage to the enemy. I see your point if your running 5 man <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GH</span> squads drop the rhinos for las <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> razorbacks  ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 9 Aug 2013 22:11:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ But a single <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(495);'>LW</span> with t4, 1W in termie, even a decent Kroot unit would down him if hes leading the charge no?<br /> <br /> Lasplas is a nice idea but dosent synch with my melta <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(390);'>GHs</span> (12" range and then 24"). Should I switch to plasma for synergy/range?<br /> <br /> Any ideas/upgrade for the Platoons with the 100 points left?<br /> Maybe a few flamers, hand to hand weapons?<br /> <br /> Thanks for ideas though. I'm trying to trash the list out as much as possible <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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