http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net
Prince Yriel -- 140

Farseer - Singing Spear -- 105


10 Dire Avengers -- 130
Wave Serpent - TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-Fields -- 145

10 Dire Avengers -- 130
Wave Serpent - TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-Fields -- 145

10 Dire Avengers - Exarch, PW + SS -- 160
Wave Serpent - TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-Fields -- 145


10 Striking Scorpions - Exarch, Crushing Blow, Scorpion's Claw -- 220
Wave Serpent - TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-Fields -- 145

5 Fire Dragons -- 110
Wave Serpent - TL Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-Fields -- 145


Fire Prism - Holo-Fields -- 140

Fire Prism - Holo-Fields -- 140


Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5945957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5945957.page GMT btw is the only real threat in yourarmy and while very good probably wont win you the game.

Fire dragons are a little over priced IMO and not worth taking

Yriel is basically wasted points he will not do much a second farseer would be much better.

Scorpions are ok, but not ideal. I'd take warp spiders instead.

Guardian jetbikes are one of the best troops in the game, I would include 1 or 2 small squads for scoring purposes and harassment]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5946073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5946073.page GMT
Farseers as well got a nerf with random powers and not being able to cast from within transports. Their powers are okay, but being meched up they won't see use for a couple of turns. I have started to run spiritseers over farseers in mech as they are cheaper and their powers are direct benefits to the squad. I don't need the spiritseer to use anything till the squad gets out and does their thing.

Most people write off dire avengers as subpar, and with the new edition the old DAVU is back. However, I think they can be used in 10 man squads in serpents(most people run 10 on foot) but you have to make use of their benefits over guardians, which largely do the same thing. With extra range, armor and leadership avengers are better at surviving and kiting, while guardians just go in, kill stuff and die. Play to this strength if you want avengers. The Shimmershield is good if you expect a lot of low AP.

Since scorpions can't assault out of a serpent anymore, taking them in one is risky, but does keep them safe. When you get out, you can use cover and dakka pistols and charge the next turn, with stealth and 3+ armor you will be okay most of the time. Drop crushing blow, as you wound most things on a 2+ already, but take monster hunter. Most of the things you won't wound on a 2+ are MC's, and the benefits of the power impact the whole squad for shooting and assault. For how cheap it is, it makes the squad very lethal against MC's.

Agreed that fire dragons are expensive and not what they used to be, but they are not terrible. However, you might want to consider wraithguard in their stead. If you take a spiritseer, these are now troops and they do the same job(but better with a spiritseer boosting them)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5946618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5946618.page GMT
I can see how fire dragons got worse...they took a 20 point increase on a suicide unit. I'll think about wraithguard.

Good points on the scorpions. Like I said I'd rather run a council but you can't mech them up, and I don't own a bike-council. Dropping crushing blow for monster hunter seems smart, I overlooked that it hits the whole unit. Mucho-useful.

I'll test out the dire avengers for myself, but why does everyone keep saying Yriel is poop? Cursed sucks, but you only reroll once, right? (can't reroll a reroll...) Also for 70 points over a regular autarch you get.....
- guaranteed warlord trait
- +1 wound, initiative, and attack
- the eye of wrath
- AP3 fleshbane/armorbane in CC

Is that really so bad?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5946736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546046/5946736.page GMT