<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Why are hospitals so crud?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/54.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Why are hospitals so crud? IS it me or do hospitals just suck? It seems they dont want to fix you, just stop you from getting worse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954833.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954851.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so this is part rant, part legitamate question. Recently my dads cancer came back with vengeance, it is killing him and nothing can stop it. We took him to the hospital to where he got worse and it was to the point he just didnt eat and lyed there, didn't eat and just wanted to die. My aunt decided to move him to a home where they take care of the ill. I went to visit him today, a day after he left the hospital. I saw him sitting upright, eating full meals and watching TV(The day before he just was staring at the ceiling asking to die). He looks better and happy. The cancer still cant be stopped sadly. Same happened to my grandpa. He was sick, got worse in the hospital then got better when we took him home. One of my friends got stranded with a gallstone bigger then his gallbladder in so much pain, but thee doctors refused painkillers.
IS it me or do hospitals just suck? It seems they dont want to fix you, just stop you from getting worse.

Depends on the area/culture of those institution. If you want, call up the administration to complain and make them understand that you'll take it up to the media if you don't believe they'll change their culture.

Sorry about your pops man.

I can only say that where I live, the hospital's "patient care" has been fantastic for me and my family.

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A few days after each chemo treatment most people want to die... its pretty harsh.

I also think that enviroment helps alot, hospitals are great but they're a strange enviroment that smells like antiseptic where dudes in white coats come and poke you with needles every morning (my job btw). Whereas a home enviroment where you're on familuar ground surrounded by loved ones is a much nicer place to be.

Edit: pretty much what manchu said

Sorry about your dad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954908.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?
All I can say is that I hope your dad gets better and as comfortable as he can be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954991.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?
Sorry to hear about your situation, as little consolation as it may be, I hope is passing is as peaceful as it can be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5954992.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955102.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?
Good luck to you and your family.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955104.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? OP's dad is at home.... Am I missing something? I thought his dad was in a "home" as in a nursing facility?

OP did say his grandpa previously had felt better when he had come home, not into a "home" so maybe that was the confusion? or maybe I'm just confused!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955112.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955169.page GMT Re:Why are hospitals so crud?
If someone has a preconceived notion that Hospitals are bad, IE: they think being in the hospital means they are dying and as such they give up hope. In a way they stop fighting. This makes them appear to be sicker than they actually are.

The Hospital shouldn't be responsible for bedside conversation. They are often understaffed and overworked, its far more important to have a Nurse be giving out medicine or helping with a procedure than talking with someone who is lonely. Being left in a dark room is of course unacceptable, but if your dad was lonely one of the family members or friends should have been there.

If I was in the Hospital I wouldn't really want to talk with some stranger anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5955599.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?
hotsauceman1 wrote:Ok, so this is part rant, part legitamate question. Recently my dads cancer came back with vengeance, it is killing him and nothing can stop it. We took him to the hospital to where he got worse and it was to the point he just didnt eat and lyed there, didn't eat and just wanted to die. My aunt decided to move him to a home where they take care of the ill. I went to visit him today, a day after he left the hospital. I saw him sitting upright, eating full meals and watching TV(The day before he just was staring at the ceiling asking to die). He looks better and happy. The cancer still cant be stopped sadly. Same happened to my grandpa. He was sick, got worse in the hospital then got better when we took him home. One of my friends got stranded with a gallstone bigger then his gallbladder in so much pain, but thee doctors refused painkillers.
IS it me or do hospitals just suck? It seems they dont want to fix you, just stop you from getting worse.

My issue with many hospitals is the nature of the inherent conflict between the for-profit treatment based system and the need to fix/cure customers. It is a direct conflict. However, that is at the most abstract sense, and I cannot comment of the specifics of your situation for reasons akin to what D-USA suggested.


I shall, however, offer my condolences: I have no idea just how brutal the ordeal must be for you right now and I wish you the strength to endure, and hope your father is somehow able to persevere.

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Hospitals while they are the best place for urgent treatment are not a place I'd like to spend any more time than necessary no matter how kind or helpful the staff were

The ward system is one of the worst aspects of them (although there is good reason to use them), lots of other sick people, lots of night time disturbance, no privacy etc

A nursing home where you get your own room to sleep in would be a blessing after that, and would let you talk to other residents rather than thinking of them as 'that bloke who snores so load I can't sleep' etc]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5956540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5956540.page GMT Re:Why are hospitals so crud?
There are really so many variables that it is impossible to say why your dad might have gotten worse in the hospital or why your friend didn't get pain killers, so there is no point to even go into that.

All I can say is that I hope your dad gets better and as comfortable as he can be.


Fully concur ^^

Hope your dad is ok, cancer is horrific.

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And because of the first hospitals incompetence my daughter was born 2 months premature and spent 5 weeks in the nicu when we probably could have gone to full term if they knew how to do their job. And what's even worse the hospital we had originally gone to is supposed to be one of the best in our area. thankfully 3 years later we are all healthy and happy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5956936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5956936.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? UK, but the care I've gotten in hospital has been brilliant. Admittedly, I haven't been in much (The longest was one week, when I was diagnosed with diabetes), but I feel it's a different situation to your dad's. My treatment wasn't particularly harsh, the condition quickly improved when I received treatment, etc.

As others have said, the point of a hospital is to be as efficient and capable as possible. Comfort isn't a high-up priority. Now, combine that with the incredibly intense treatment he has probably received, all the hysteria flying around him from doctors, and so on, and it is understandable to suffer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5956952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5956952.page GMT Re:Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958362.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958440.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958488.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?

As for the light, idk, at my last hospital they had an all in one combination lightswitch/TV remote/TV speaker/nurse caller/bed raiser thing that lay at the patient bedside.

If they truly left him in the dark with no way to turn the lights on for himself that is unconscionable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958536.page GMT Re:Why are hospitals so crud? Sobell is a specialist Cancer and Palliative Care Home, Palliative being End Of Life Care, and it really is all about the patient. Their wants and needs and how best to care for the individual in question. As some others have stated it's purely situational. Hospitals are really not the best places to convalesce and make some form of recovery, they are mostly trauma centres and provide immediate care for emergency situations, shootings, stabbings, etc.

Although 99% of Hospitals will make you as comfortable as possible as quickly as possible, I would never want to stay in one for my recovery or end of life care. That is not why Hospitals are there. If the Cancer is terminal they would most likely suggest that you go to a specialist Hospice (Sobell House for instance), or they would have you come in a few times a month for Chemo or other treatments and spend the rest of your time at home or in a place that makes you feel comfortable. Your surroundings really make a huge difference to your recovery or final days. Having your loved ones around you throughout this process is so important I can't begin to explain.

Hospitals do have a bad reputation in this country, mostly unfounded. 90% of Hospital staff are there to make your visits less painful and really are there to help. What happened to your dad sucks though, I'd complain to the Hospital bosses as quickly as possible and try to find out why they would place him in a dark room without windows.

And good luck with all further treatments, whatever they may be...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958571.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? So, my experience with hospitals is more phobia than discontent, but it's also quite limited. I've never personally been in a hospital room for longer than half a day (for wrist surgery).
The situation your father was in sounds pretty hellish. I would, however, note that not all staff are friendly (and some might just be tired or weary or simply jaded) and not all rooms can have windows. Statistically speaking, there's a good chance you'll hit that combination of bad lodgings and bad help eventually. The best thing to do in those types of situations is to do what you did and move him.
TL;DR, there are good hospitals and bad hospitals and plenty of combinations thereof.
Anyway, I hope your dad pulls through, and I wish you strength and courage.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5958684.page GMT Re:Why are hospitals so crud? St. Louis is an example of a pretty great hospital. 90% of the staff are very attentive, caring, and competent. The rooms are very comfortable with most being single patient rooms, and they have excellent support facilities. Pretty much the entire family has standing orders that if something happens, that's where we go. St. Luke's and St. Anthony's on the other hand feel like 1890's tuberculosis wards in comparison (and in the case of one of them, the care is about on the same level). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5959874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5959874.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud?
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so this is part rant, part legitamate question. Recently my dads cancer came back with vengeance, it is killing him and nothing can stop it. We took him to the hospital to where he got worse and it was to the point he just didnt eat and lyed there, didn't eat and just wanted to die. My aunt decided to move him to a home where they take care of the ill. I went to visit him today, a day after he left the hospital. I saw him sitting upright, eating full meals and watching TV(The day before he just was staring at the ceiling asking to die). He looks better and happy. The cancer still cant be stopped sadly. Same happened to my grandpa. He was sick, got worse in the hospital then got better when we took him home. One of my friends got stranded with a gallstone bigger then his gallbladder in so much pain, but thee doctors refused painkillers.
IS it me or do hospitals just suck? It seems they dont want to fix you, just stop you from getting worse.


For-Profit hospitals, there isn't much money in cured people, just good PR]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5959964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5959964.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5960015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5960015.page GMT Why are hospitals so crud? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5960999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546548/5960999.page GMT