<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Edison's true self"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/54.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Edison's true self Literally everything he did Tesla did a couple dozen times better.
Lets go over this.
1. He promised Tesla a million dollars to fix his machines. Tesla does so because he's actually intelligent unlike Edison. When Tesla asks for the money Edison responds "you don't understand our American humour"
and he never receives the money.
2. Pets start to go missing around Edison's lab. Turns out Edison was paying schoolboys a quarter, to kidnap cats and dogs so he could ELECTRUCUTE THEM to make people scared of Tesla's invention. Yeah he's that big of a dic*bag.
3. He buys all of his inventions and patents making literally none of them.
4. Tesla's plan was to make power free and he had working ideas. The only thing he needed was the cash. Edison wanted to monopolize it. Yeah he's really inferior to Tesla as a person.
5. His best invention was a way to steal credit.
6. Tesla only ran down to the patent office with his best ideas. Edison went with everything his schoolboys found.
7. Google a picture of Tesla. He's 6'6 and absurdly good looking. Then google a picture of Edison. Yeah.......and Tesla was celibate and Edison was whoring. Another thing he was denied from sharing with the world. Ba dum tish.
8. Edison style of electricity was dramatically less efficient and quickly went out of style for Tesla's style of electricity. Tesla never got to see his successes and Edison his failings.
9. The final thing is that he was affluent and Tesla died broke and sad.
The majority of humans are really stupid aren't they?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5958266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5958266.page GMT Edison's true self
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5958270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5958270.page GMT Edison's true self http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960023.page GMT Edison's true self http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960039.page GMT Edison's true self
I suspect most people would still have viewed Edison as an asshat back then had they known of the magnitude of his deceits and tomfoolery. The morals between the two periods have changed, but not that substantially that historical context can be pulled.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960101.page GMT Edison's true self
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I guess you've never heard of being a cutthroat businessman? Especially back then, competition was nasty. It was how people succeeded. Being an "asshat" would mean looking at historical actions without any real context.


We can look at the context and still recognize it as assbagery; understanding why he was a douchebag doesn't make him not a douchebag.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960109.page GMT Edison's true self OP has never heard of Edison's competiton with Westinghouse...

Edison was a pioneer. Like many of the pioneers of his time, he borrowed and stole ideas from his competitors, making a more marketable version of what they did. Up until WWI, inventoes and innovators were ruthlessly cutthroat. That's why some succeeded and some didn't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960112.page GMT Edison's true self
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Up until WWI, inventoes and innovators were ruthlessly cutthroat. That's why some succeeded and some didn't.


What on earth gives you that idea? Inventors came in all shapes and sizes, from all ends of the social spectrum, with a plethora of different moralities and motives. Modern morality didn't evolve overnight the second we signed the Treaty of Versailles.

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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Edison was a pioneer.


Lewis and Clark were pioneers. Buzz Aldrin was a pioneer. Edison was a businessman. He is an important and interesting figure, but that doesn't somehow give him a free pass on his indiscretions, unethical behavior, and crimes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960171.page GMT Edison's true self
 Ahtman wrote:
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Edison was a pioneer.


Lewis and Clark were pioneers. Buzz Aldrin was a pioneer. Edison was a businessman. He is an important and interesting figure, but that doesn't somehow give him a free pass on his indiscretions, unethical behavior, and crimes.


I'm not saying he needs a free pass. I'm sure he was seen as a bastard. However, combine the recenr Tesla worship and our modern perspective, and you end up judging him from a skewed angle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960211.page GMT Edison's true self text removed due to language.

reds8n

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Tesla was, to use a modern phrase, "doing it all wrong" as far as actually trying to invent stuff. He had amazing ideas, but if he wanted them to be successful and not get ripped off he needed to be more aggressive.

Tesla was really a big wuss. Edison was more of a businessman who actually capitalized on his inventions.

Nothing can be free, somebody has to pay for it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960415.page GMT Edison's true self OP's point. Is this just another person who recently discovered Tesla? Again, I assume he's never heard of George Westinghouse, Edison's prime rival. Do you know why Edison invented the electric chair? to scare people about the "dangers" of Wesinghouse's AC. Tesla was a genius, but he was a minor player in a time when innovation and assertiveness were key to success.

I love when people grab on to a new fact and run with it without any actual knowledge...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960596.page GMT Edison's true self
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I guess you've never heard of being a cutthroat businessman? Especially back then, competition was nasty. It was how people succeeded. Being an "asshat" would mean looking at historical actions without any real context.


Here's Edison's final interview, in which he talks about the cutthroat nature of the business enviorment back then and how it affected him:


http://blog.modernmechanix.com/did-thomas-edison-die-a-poor-man/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960628.page GMT Edison's true self
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So I'm still unclear as to the OP's point. Is this just another person who recently discovered Tesla? Again, I assume he's never heard of George Westinghouse, Edison's prime rival. Do you know why Edison invented the electric chair? to scare people about the "dangers" of Wesinghouse's AC. Tesla was a genius, but he was a minor player in a time when innovation and assertiveness were key to success.

I love when people grab on to a new fact and run with it without any actual knowledge...

You really don't know the point.....no comment
The point is in the title dude, its that Edison is an asshat.
Edison wasn't innovative he had a lot of money to throw around.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960668.page GMT Edison's true self OP was about Tesla, did you just discover the guy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960673.page GMT Edison's true self
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So again, your entire OP was about Tesla, did you just discover the guy?

The entire OP was about Edison being an ass. Tesla was mentioned primarily in the instances when Edison dicked him over to accentuate how much of an ass he is.
I always knew that Tesla got dicked over but I only recently found out how hard he got dicked over. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960685.page GMT Edison's true self http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960732.page GMT Edison's true self
Also, Westinghouse generally didn't have gak unless Tesla invented it for him. It was Tesla's AC generator that Westinghouse was trying to use. Ultimately Westinghouse had to cut Tesla out, because his ideas of free power would spell the doom of Westinghouse's company.


Of course the funny thing is is that both Edison and Tesla were right.... AC is Great for moving large amounts of power, quickly over a great distance. DC runs the actual devices... Thats right, your computer, cell phone, RC car, stereo speakers, just about everything actually operates on DC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960748.page GMT Edison's true self http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960792.page GMT Re:Edison's true self Another being Tesla inventing and fixing everything these idiots made.
Another being the sheer extent Edison went to lie, steal, and cheat. Killing animals in mass? Really?
The final is that people are calling Edison an innovator and a pioneer, he's NOT.Tesla was.
You don't have to be greedy and utterly immoral to be a good businessman. End of discussion on that aspect.
Tesla's AC was primarily going to work like the actual generators and the delivery of the power. It would be converted to DC down the road. On this it was wildly more efficient.
Oh and Tesla was a wimp for not doing something about this. It would be going to far to go to the sheer lows Edison went to.
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Seriously, open a book and stop watching H2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960872.page GMT Edison's true self http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960938.page GMT Re:Edison's true self
 ThePrimordial wrote:
Some points I'm trying to make that everyone else has already made is that Edison did a whole lot of illegal and immoral things in pursuit of the mighty dollar.
Another being Tesla inventing and fixing everything these idiots made.
Another being the sheer extent Edison went to lie, steal, and cheat. Killing animals in mass? Really?
The final is that people are calling Edison an innovator and a pioneer, he's NOT.Tesla was.
You don't have to be greedy and utterly immoral to be a good businessman. End of discussion on that aspect.
Tesla's AC was primarily going to work like the actual generators and the delivery of the power. It would be converted to DC down the road. On this it was wildly more efficient.
Oh and Tesla was a wimp for not doing something about this. It would be going to far to go to the sheer lows Edison went to.


What sort of illegal things did Edison do, and were they illegal at the time?

No, Tesla was not fixing everything they did. And nobody involved as an "idiot", they were all great inventors who happened to be intense rivals.


Edison did nothing that was out of the ordinary for anybody else in business at that time.

Get off that high horse. It doesn't matter that Edison was a jerk, lots of historical people were jerks. Still doesn't make their achievements any less great, and Edison did do great things. Maybe he stole some of it, but certainly not all of it.


Tesla was, IMO, the better inventor. But he was unable to make anything out of it. That is something that he did, and suffered the inevitable consequences for. He was a fool in this regard. He could have accomplished his humanitarian goals in a less direct way by playing the system, but he didn't. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960942.page GMT Re:Edison's true self
 Grey Templar wrote:
 ThePrimordial wrote:
Some points I'm trying to make that everyone else has already made is that Edison did a whole lot of illegal and immoral things in pursuit of the mighty dollar.
Another being Tesla inventing and fixing everything these idiots made.
Another being the sheer extent Edison went to lie, steal, and cheat. Killing animals in mass? Really?
The final is that people are calling Edison an innovator and a pioneer, he's NOT.Tesla was.
You don't have to be greedy and utterly immoral to be a good businessman. End of discussion on that aspect.
Tesla's AC was primarily going to work like the actual generators and the delivery of the power. It would be converted to DC down the road. On this it was wildly more efficient.
Oh and Tesla was a wimp for not doing something about this. It would be going to far to go to the sheer lows Edison went to.


What sort of illegal things did Edison do, and were they illegal at the time?

No, Tesla was not fixing everything they did. And nobody involved as an "idiot", they were all great inventors who happened to be intense rivals.


Edison did nothing that was out of the ordinary for anybody else in business at that time.

Get off that high horse. It doesn't matter that Edison was a jerk, lots of historical people were jerks. Still doesn't make their achievements any less great, and Edison did do great things. Maybe he stole some of it, but certainly not all of it.


Tesla was, IMO, the better inventor. But he was unable to make anything out of it. That is something that he did, and suffered the inevitable consequences for. He was a fool in this regard. He could have accomplished his humanitarian goals in a less direct way by playing the system, but he didn't.

Edison invented the phonograph and commercialised the electric light.
Compare this to Tesla's AC, Hydroelectric power generation and the proof of principle of radio.
Its pretty clear he made something out of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960969.page GMT Re:Edison's true self
The Electric light is a very significant thing. Comparable to what Rifling was for firearms.

Tesla did great things too, but it doesn't diminish Edison in any way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5960975.page GMT Re:Edison's true self ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961002.page GMT Re:Edison's true self
 Grey Templar wrote:
And?

The Electric light is a very significant thing. Comparable to what Rifling was for firearms.

Tesla did great things too, but it doesn't diminish Edison in any way.

Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.
He wasn't an inventor, mathematician, or scientist. He was a businessman. Tesla actually was these things.
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Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961027.page GMT Edison's true self
 motyak wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"


H2 channel strikes again...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961032.page GMT Edison's true self
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
 motyak wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"


H2 channel strikes again...


I have no idea what that means, or what you are implying by it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961092.page GMT Edison's true self
 motyak wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"

I know for a fact he didn't invent the lightbulb.
He only improved on an existing design. He had assistants that did all his math for him.
The fact of the matter is we don't know if he invented a thing. His assistants did.
Get out my thread with that stupid easily dispelled argument.
I already dispelled it partially in the post you quoted yourself.
He's a businessman not a scientist or an inventor.


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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
 motyak wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"


H2 channel strikes again...

This isn't only coming from the history channel my naïve friend. These are now in the current age well known facts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961152.page GMT Edison's true self
 ThePrimordial wrote:
 motyak wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"

I know for a fact he didn't invent the lightbulb.
He only improved on an existing design. He had assistants that did all his math for him.
The fact of the matter is we don't know if he invented a thing. His assistants did.
Get out my thread with that stupid easily dispelled argument.
I already dispelled it partially in the post you quoted yourself.
He's a businessman not a scientist or an inventor.


No need to attack my argument like that, you haven't dispelled anything, you are still just saying that it is the case. At least other posters use references for their theories, even good old Whembly finds sources for all of his points, or at least tries his darndest to. You are just being rude and trying to shout louder so no one asks you to back up your statements. And "I know for a fact" doesn't count as a reference.

To be fair, I have also heard somewhere that he didn't invent the lightbulb, and only improved on an existing design. So what. That is still a good thing. Improving on an existing design is what a lot of science and discovery is, just because something isn't completely new doesn't invalidate its discovery.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961155.page GMT Edison's true self
 motyak wrote:
 ThePrimordial wrote:
 motyak wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.


Which ones did he "steal" and which ones did he invent. Do you actually know, or are you just parroting something that you read/heard elsewhere that it was "almost" everything.

I'm not doubting that he did steal some ideas, they probably all did back then, but if you want to come out swinging out something, come out with references and back up information, rather than just "he stole nearly all of it, he totally did"

I know for a fact he didn't invent the lightbulb.
He only improved on an existing design. He had assistants that did all his math for him.
The fact of the matter is we don't know if he invented a thing. His assistants did.
Get out my thread with that stupid easily dispelled argument.
I already dispelled it partially in the post you quoted yourself.
He's a businessman not a scientist or an inventor.


No need to attack my argument like that, you haven't dispelled anything, you are still just saying that it is the case. At least other posters use references for their theories, even good old Whembly finds sources for all of his points, or at least tries his darndest to. You are just being rude and trying to shout louder so no one asks you to back up your statements. And "I know for a fact" doesn't count as a reference.

To be fair, I have also heard somewhere that he didn't invent the lightbulb, and only improved on an existing design. So what. That is still a good thing. Improving on an existing design is what a lot of science and discovery is, just because something isn't completely new doesn't invalidate its discovery.

I don't think arguments have feelings...........
That isn't rude. I still talked in complete sentences. The reason I seemed rude is due to you appearing to be a contrarian on the subject.
Yes that also dispels your argument. Without having knowledge of math he cant very well invent a damn thing now can he. Its well known he was a businessman.
He also didn't invent the DC generator. Also bought.
Businessmen have a very different type of outlook than scientists and much simpler mindsets and much humbler mental capability. I'm not about to give references to that.
It isn't my job to find references, if you feel like you're not sure of something there's google and about 1/2 a minute of your time.
I know for a fact is also kinda a reference because it means that I'm 100% sure of something. If we were all gentlemen that's all it would take.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961182.page GMT Edison's true self
Here is something I found while googling for 30 seconds, I don't really know what Forbes is but it sounds familiar

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesla-wasnt-god-and-thomas-edison-wasnt-the-devil/

Now prove that this statement

Without having knowledge of math he cant very well invent a damn thing now can he


Isn't just you rambling on. Because I'd be willing to bet that it is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961192.page GMT Edison's true self
 motyak wrote:
Yes but in the past things that "you have been sure of" have been shown to simply be your interpretations of information that others see in a completely different light. And it is the person presenting the argument's job, that is why I used Whembly as an example. Every thread that I see him start is always backed up by a source, a news story, something along those lines. He could just come out and start rambling about how awful some Democrat or the ACA or Benghazi or something is, but he doesn't (well some would say he's rambling, but that beside the point), he backs it up with sources that he goes to the effort of finding to prove his point.

Here is something I found while googling for 30 seconds, I don't really know what Forbes is but it sounds familiar

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/05/18/nikola-tesla-wasnt-god-and-thomas-edison-wasnt-the-devil/

Now prove that this statement

Without having knowledge of math he cant very well invent a damn thing now can he


Isn't just you rambling on. Because I'd be willing to bet that it is.

How is that rambling that's me dispelling your argument.
Textbook definition of ramble is to give commentary that has no place in the current discussion. This was me dispelling your argument which was a part of the discussion. You sir are objectively incorrect.
Also is the writer comparing a brilliant but down on his luck scientist to god? I ain't about to read that BS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961208.page GMT Edison's true self BS" and put your hands in your ears. Good to know that there is no point taking any more part in this thread, much like your others.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961214.page GMT Edison's true self text removed.

Reds8n

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 d-usa wrote:
Some people are as good at arguing as they claim Edison was at inventing...


Unfortunately, the OP is not one of those people...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961279.page GMT Edison's true self
 d-usa wrote:
Some people are as good at arguing as they claim Edison was at inventing...

I know how to argue if anything. I've displayed this multiple times. He constanly sidestepped my reasoning while I gave logical refutations to his. I won by normal debate rules. I now posses the bigger e-dick.
We've been over this in the thread. Edison wasn't an inventor. He had a lot of people in his payroll who were and took credit for their gak.


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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Some people are as good at arguing as they claim Edison was at inventing...


Unfortunately, the OP is not one of those people...

This is fething hilarious!!! I've constanly insulted Edison's skills. You're handing me a compliment. Thank you!!!
You're so hilariously inept, I just went on a walk around my property and never stopped laughing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961284.page GMT Edison's true self
And since I provided the same amount of sources you did I am just as right!

Or wrong...




This thread in a nutshell...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961287.page GMT Edison's true self Edison was DC, Tesla was AC, AC won.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961292.page GMT Edison's true self
 d-usa wrote:
Edison ate babies.

And since I provided the same amount of sources you did I am just as right!

Or wrong...




This thread in a nutshell...

What you're saying is on the same level as me saying a species of bat is real and you taking it far further to unicorn rainbow dragons are real.


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 d-usa wrote:
Edison ate babies.

And since I provided the same amount of sources you did I am just as right!

Or wrong...




This thread in a nutshell...

Good luck finding references to that in your own time.........


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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
So in conclusion Edison was an Asshat and Tesla was a wuzz
Edison was DC, Tesla was AC, AC won.

This]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961295.page GMT Edison's true self
 ThePrimordial wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Edison ate babies.

And since I provided the same amount of sources you did I am just as right!

Or wrong...




This thread in a nutshell...

What you're saying is on the same level as me saying a species of bat is real and you taking it far further to unicorn rainbow dragons are real.


Your problem is this:



Without it, you're just a guy on the internet pushing buttons on his keyboard with nothing to back up anything he says.

And for the record, they are real:

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 ThePrimordial wrote:
Edison stole and bought "almost" everything.
He wasn't an inventor, mathematician, or scientist. He was a businessman. Tesla actually was these things.


And you think the world is changed by invention alone? Fact is if you can't get it in to people's hands then you haven't really accomplished anything. And that means business, and figuring out a way to make it and get it in people's hands for a price they're willing to pay.

Now, I'm not justifying Edison, who was a horrendous dick, even by the standards of business of the day, nor am I saying Tesla was just an ideas man, but whenever I see this Edison/Tesla nonsense I notice a really strong 'oh he just made successful commerical operations, whereas Tesla made inventions' and feth that noise.


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 ThePrimordial wrote:
I know how to argue if anything.


If you have to tell that to people, it probably isn't true.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961327.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961327.page GMT Edison's true self
Musselman wrote:
I mean JFK did some good things for America, but he was also a lying politican who couldn't keep his d* ck in his pants to save his life.


I don't see how getting side pussy (or dick) makes you a bad person, especially people who have open relationships but then again what do I know...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961388.page GMT Re:Edison's true self
 Grey Templar wrote:
Edison may have been a big jerk from our perspective, but not really at the time. It was just good business. And business at the time was, often literally, cutthroat.


As someone currently digging into business of the era, the fact this keeps resurfacing irritates me.

No. Victorian businessmen were not all jerks, trying to outjerk each other in a 'jerk' measuring competition. Some were. Some were not. Some were horrendously good at driving their competitors out of business with horribly underhanded practices(say, Edison). Others were fair honest men who gave their employees a say in the running of their companies, personally invented many ingenious devices, and were great philanthropists (for example, Sir Alfred Yarrow).

Others still were bizare mixes of the two (see Basil Zaharoff for example, to find a man who bribed his way throughout the business world, yet used much of his fortune to fund scholarships).

Edison was a jerk by the standards of the time. If people are going to try and pull historical context here, they REALLY need to actually have some knowledge of the context itself.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

Again you sidestep my reasoning while I disassemble yours. This is what I'm seeing and what most people who see this thread will see.......I know how to argue if anything. I've displayed this multiple times. He constanly sidestepped my reasoning while I gave logical refutations to his. I won by normal debate rules. I now posses the bigger e-dick.


Your debating technique is terrible and rude, and basically consists of you telling the other person you disproved them without actually providing any hard fact. That might swing on Youtube comments, but not here. Stump up your citations or expect to get called on it.
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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I guess you've never heard of being a cutthroat businessman? Especially back then, competition was nasty. It was how people succeeded. Being an "asshat" would mean looking at historical actions without any real context.

Remember that the man you are defending literally stole people's pets and tortured them to death to try to discredit his competition. That is an extraordinary level of douchebaggery by any reasonable standard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961522.page GMT Re:Edison's true self Thread closed due to pointlessness and douchery.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546771/5961526.page GMT