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				<description><![CDATA[ What is your most competitive 500pt ork list? <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:24:17]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Warboss W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, Twin linked shoota, cybork body and attack squig<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Big Mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, Burna, and cybork body<br /> Troops-30 shoota boys W/ 3 Big shoota<br /> Trops-19 Gretchin W 1 Runtherd]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:16:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like that list, I also like the variant where you have two 20 man ork squads with 2 bigshootas in each and nob powerklaw boss pole, with a big mek <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>kff</span>. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:17:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've another<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Big mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, cybork body, bosspole<br /> Troops- 19 Gretchin w/ Runtherd<br /> Troops- 19 gretchin W/ Runtherd<br /> Fast- Dakkajet W/ 3 Supa shootas<br /> Elite- 8 lootas]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:29:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961529.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/>I've another<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Big mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, cybork body, bosspole<br /> Troops- 19 Gretchin w/ Runtherd<br /> Troops- 19 gretchin W/ Runtherd<br /> Fast- Dakkajet W/ 3 Supa shootas<br /> Elite- 8 lootas</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Screw the dakkajet, go for lobbas!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:05:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961513.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Warboss W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, Twin linked shoota, cybork body and attack squig<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Big Mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, Burna, and cybork body<br /> Troops-30 shoota boys W/ 3 Big shoota<br /> Trops-19 Gretchin W 1 Runtherd</div></blockquote><br /> How would this cope with flyers?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:12:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c853dc0e09c27963df0837a14ad7fa7d.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961594.page"><b>zedster40k wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961513.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Warboss W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, Twin linked shoota, cybork body and attack squig<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Big Mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, Burna, and cybork body<br /> Troops-30 shoota boys W/ 3 Big shoota<br /> Trops-19 Gretchin W 1 Runtherd</div></blockquote><br /> How would this cope with flyers?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Screw flyers, go for max lobbas and kill the enemy by round 1 <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:16:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c853dc0e09c27963df0837a14ad7fa7d.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961594.page"><b>zedster40k wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961513.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Warboss W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, Twin linked shoota, cybork body and attack squig<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>-Big Mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, Burna, and cybork body<br /> Troops-30 shoota boys W/ 3 Big shoota<br /> Trops-19 Gretchin W 1 Runtherd</div></blockquote><br /> How would this cope with flyers?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You already gain a cover save, and you have 52 bodies on the ground, wait them out. Take and hold, wipe stuff out or shoot and get into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> quickly. Flyers at 500 points usually mean 1/5 of their points is on the one model that might not even come in by the time you gain contact. My other list is designed to stop flyers at 500 points, but ends up lacking in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> and bodies.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:23:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Fair enough ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:26:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/46e0aaa082fc301fdf57e2cfff158bb5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961582.page"><b>phatonic wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961529.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/>I've another<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Big mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, cybork body, bosspole<br /> Troops- 19 Gretchin w/ Runtherd<br /> Troops- 19 gretchin W/ Runtherd<br /> Fast- Dakkajet W/ 3 Supa shootas<br /> Elite- 8 lootas</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Screw the dakkajet, go for lobbas!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> 3 Barrage BS3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 5 Ap4 blast with 48" range, vs  9TL(18 on waaagh) BS2 Str6 AP4 shots at 30".<br /> <br /> One of these stands a chance when hit by a lascannon, No? There's still not a lot of skyfire currently, and at 500, I wouldn't see too many <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span> lists to handle skyfire, But anti AV10 is very common. But the flyer gets a jink save, the lobba does not.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:42:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961649.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/46e0aaa082fc301fdf57e2cfff158bb5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961582.page"><b>phatonic wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/d85867d8edcc0b809609a17f8fd591c8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961529.page"><b>dreamakuma wrote:</b></a><br/>I've another<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Big mek W/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span>, cybork body, bosspole<br /> Troops- 19 Gretchin w/ Runtherd<br /> Troops- 19 gretchin W/ Runtherd<br /> Fast- Dakkajet W/ 3 Supa shootas<br /> Elite- 8 lootas</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Screw the dakkajet, go for lobbas!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> 3 Barrage BS3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 5 Ap4 blast with 48" range, vs  9TL(18 on waaagh) BS2 Str6 AP4 shots at 30".<br /> <br /> One of these stands a chance when hit by a lascannon, No? There's still not a lot of skyfire currently, and at 500, I wouldn't see too many <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>TAC</span> lists to handle skyfire, But anti AV10 is very common. But the flyer gets a jink save, the lobba does not.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The dakkajet might not turn up round two, remember that.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:16:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/46e0aaa082fc301fdf57e2cfff158bb5.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/546988/5961707.page"><b>phatonic wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> The dakkajet might not turn up round two, remember that.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That's understandable, But the lobba having an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>Ap</span> of 5 and the ability of scatter, and barrage means terrain could stop the shot's effectiveness. But 48" range weapons that pop AV10 easily are numerous:<br /> <br /> Lascannon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 9<br /> Harvester cannon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 7<br /> Cyclone missile launcher(krak) <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 8<br /> Missile launcher(krak) <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 8<br /> Avenger mega bolter <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 6<br /> Ion Accelerator <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 7<br /> Kroot gun Str7<br /> Railgun <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 7<br /> I could keep going.<br /> <br /> the lobba is a great fun choice, especially with dual <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(164);'>SAG</span>'s But I don't see how you could reliably table someone with three of them.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry man but that Grot/Dakkajet list looks incredibly weak.<br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> Mek is hideously inefficient for points here. A single <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(107);'>PK</span> character, and not even a very fighty one, is gonna die badly in any challenge. He'll never get to use his burna as Grots will be in the way, and even if he does, it won't do enough damage to matter.<br /> <br /> Lobbas &gt; Dakkajet, easily, as the flier will not have much maneuver room nor many targets on a 4x4 and 500pt list (plus Lobbas are crazy) but you could take both if you drop the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(163);'>KFF</span> from the Mek. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've never player 500 point on a 4x4 board. In a 4x4 Flyers would be near useless. and lobba would kill So Yeah, I can concede in that scenario. <br /> <br /> I used that flyer list in a local tourney on a 6X4 board, the mek never saw combat, but I wanted him to be able to take out a sergeant at best.   ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 6x4 for a 500p game is huuuuge <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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