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				<description><![CDATA[ So I've been thinking about a list someone posted a while back about combining <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> so the entire army has <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(487);'>PE</span>: <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>/CD. I liked it but I didn't have a reason to build one until I started looking into the order of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(171);'>St</span>. Lazarus and decided to try and adapt the ideals a bit for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>. The restrictions are that the entire army has to have <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(487);'>PE</span>:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span>/CD, a low model count and decently competitive. My first list is below, the idea being the librarian joins the paladins and rolls on divination, belial joins the command squad, the vindicare and purgation sit behind the aegis while everything else deep strikes. Any help is welcome, though I would like to keep the vindicare if possible. Thanks in advance<br /> <br /> <br /> Librarian-215<br /> ML3<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> weapons<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> Paladins (5x)-325<br /> 2x Psycannon<br /> 2x halberds<br /> 3x falchions<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (10x)-255<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> 2x falchions<br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (10x)-255<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> 2x falchions<br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Purgation Squad (6x)-240<br /> 4x Psycannons<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> Vindicare Assasin-145<br /> <br /> Aegis Defense Line with quad gun-100<br /> <br /> Belial-190<br /> <br /> Deathwing Command squad-275<br /> apothecary<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> champion<br /> heavy flamer<br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-240<br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 1X Assault Cannon<br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-240<br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 1X Assault Cannon]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Hive Fleet Lazarus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just a quick question why put the psybolt ammunition on the purgation squad as it does not boost the psycannon strength <br /> <br /> Other than that I think it is a good start for a themed army. I personally do not think it would be highly competitive in the current meta due to the low model count issue you already addressed. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 04:54:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Honestly <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(269);'>id</span> stick with the theme add more pallys and less strike squads, just fits the theme a bit more and 30 terminators aren't easy to chew.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:11:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jpat1213]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ slightly modified list, dropped the psybolt ammo and added 4 more pallys in exchange for 5 strike squad. I also dropped the deathwing command squad for 5 deathwing knights. same model count and +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(149);'>ws</span> in exchange for less ranged weaponry. With the number of pallidins going up, maybe it would be worth it to drop the strike squads and librarian for draigo and all pallys. Thoughts?<br /> <br /> <br /> Belial-190<br /> <br /> Deathwing Knights(5x)-235<br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-240<br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 1X Assault Cannon<br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-240<br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 1X Assault Cannon<br /> <br /> <br /> Librarian-215<br /> ML3<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> weapons<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> Paladins (5x)-305<br /> 1x Psycannon<br /> 1x halberds<br /> 2x falchions<br /> <br /> Paladins (4x)-230<br /> 1x halberds<br /> 2x falchions<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (5x)-135<br /> 1x incinerators<br /> 1x falchions<br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (5x)-135<br /> 1x incinerators<br /> 1x falchions<br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (5x)-140<br /> 1x incinerators<br /> 1x falchions<br /> 2x halberd<br /> <br /> Purgation Squad (6x)-220<br /> 4x Psycannons<br /> <br /> Vindicare Assasin-145<br /> <br /> Aegis Defense Line with quad gun-100]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:46:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Hive Fleet Lazarus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Drop the falchions, they are really not worth the points. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:09:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Paladins: throw both your squads together (seperate them later as fighting units). If you drop the falchions (which are too expensive for their effect) you can have an additional Paladin (making it 10) and, if I'm not mistaken in points, you can get psybolt ammo for one squad.<br /> <br /> Incinerator: On strike squads they are abit expensive (but hey, if you want them, they sure are fun), so I would think about replacing them with psycannons. Giving incinerators to a purgation squad would also be very nice in terms of point cost (reducing their range, so you decide what you want).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:18:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Atropamin]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I thought Belial only made <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> troops if they were in the Primary Detachment...?<br /> <br /> Lucarikx]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:37:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Lucarikx]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ He does but I thought that an allies detachment was an additional primary detachment from a different army (I may be wrong and if so need to make some changes to the list arrangement)<br /> Dropping the falchions is a good idea. I'm not sure about switching the psycannons and incinerators but seeing the point cost difference I may]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:57:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Hive Fleet Lazarus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ according to the german Online Codex, it works as an additional primary detachment, and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span> becomes troops.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.onlinecodex.de/forum/portal.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.onlinecodex.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(27);'>de</span>/forum/portal.php</a><br /> (It's a program for making army lists...it's usually up to date)]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:07:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I'm not sure about the exact ruling but I rewrote two lists. One with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> as the primary, and the second as <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> as the primary<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> Primary<br /> <br /> Librarian-215 <br /> ML3 <br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span> weapons <br /> psybolt ammo <br /> <br /> Paladins (10x)-570 <br /> 4x Incinerators <br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (5x)-115 <br /> 1x psycannon <br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (5x)-115 <br /> 1x psycannon <br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Strike Squad (5x)-115 <br /> 1x psycannon <br /> 1x halberd<br /> <br /> Purgation Squad (5x)-180 <br /> 4x Psycannons <br /> <br /> Vindicare Assasin-145 <br /> <br /> Aegis Defense Line with quad gun-100<br /> <br /> Belial-190 <br /> <br /> Deathwing Knights(5x)-235 <br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-250 <br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> <br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> <br /> 1X Assault Cannon <br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-250 <br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> <br /> 2X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> <br /> 1X Assault Cannon<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> Primary<br /> <br /> Belial-190<br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-230<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 3X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-230<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 3X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> <br /> Deathwing (10x)-480<br /> 2x assault cannon<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span> sarge<br /> <br /> Deathwing (10x)-485<br /> 2x assault cannon<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> sarge<br /> <br /> <br /> Draigo-275<br /> <br /> Paladins (5x)-305<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> Paladins (5x)-305<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> <br /> not too many major changes, mostly just rearrangement]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Aug 2013 00:27:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The first list is illegal, belial only makes terminators troops in a primary detachment.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:39:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Jpat1213]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like the first list more because of the variety (I am not quite sure it works with the detachment thingy and all, but I think it does (according to the (possibly flawed) German translations)).<br /> The second list is a bit too much Draigowing for my taste (very subjective). Furthermore, for an allied detachment only 1 troops is compulsory, so you could join the two squads to one and make therefore psybolt ammo cheaper (or somesuch).]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Aug 2013 20:50:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Atropamin]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 GK w/ DA allies</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ New list (again!) <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> are now the primary detachment, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span> allies. I agree with having more variety. I think I will combine the pally squads as well, good point saver. I'll adjust it again but I wanted people's opinion on what they think might be better, purgation or interceptor squad?<br /> <br /> Belial-190<br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-230<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 3X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> <br /> Deathwing (5x)-230<br /> 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span><br /> 3X <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(80);'>LC</span><br /> <br /> Deathwing (10x)-495<br /> 2x assault cannon<br /> 2x chainfist<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> sarge<br /> <br /> Draigo-275<br /> <br /> Paladins (5x)-305<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br /> Paladins (5x)-305<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> psybolt ammo<br /> <br />  Vindicare Assassin-145<br /> <br /> Aegis with Quad Gun-100<br /> <br /> Purgation (7x)-225<br /> 4x Psycannon<br /> or<br /> Interceptors (7x)-222<br /> 2x incinerators<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:27:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Hive Fleet Lazarus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Purgation of Interceptor... well I think it depends on what you want (or how you can adjust your list when seeing the battlefield). In my opinion both types are somehow great (not talking about effectiveness, since I just like them): <br /> The interceptors are quite flexible in moving around on the field, since they count as jump units. In addition to being able to deep strike and their one-time teleport (and mainly being equipped with assault weapons), they really are some mobile lads.<br /> The Purgators have the great astral sight, which is great for keeping them in cover and still shooting the enemy. Equip them with the teleport homer (is that the right term?) and you can deep strike some nasty surprises for the enemy in their vicinity.<br /> So, basically the choice is yours, but I tend to go for mobility first.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Aug 2013 22:16:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Atropamin]]></author>
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