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A while ago I uploaded an army list for Vanilla Marines. You gave it some pretty harsh critique, so I've edited it, and here it is. I'd love more opinions on it, as well as suggestions for improvement.

HQ
Space Marine Librarian (180 points)
• Terminator Armour, Storm Bolter and Force Staff
• Epistolary

Troops
Space Marine Tactical Squad (225 points)
• +5 Marines
• Flamer and Heavy Bolter
• Sergeant has Bolt Pistol, Teleport Homer and Chainsword
• Razorback

Space Marine Tactical Squad (225 points)
• +5 Marines
• Meltagun and Plasma Cannon
• Sergeant has Boltgun, Chainsword and Melta Bombs
• Rhino

Space Marine Scout Squad (240 points)
• +5 Scouts
• Snipers and Missile Launcher
• Sergeant Telion
• Camo Cloaks

Elites
Dreadnought (150 points)
• Missile Launcher and Multi Melta
• Drop Pod with Locator Beacon

Terminator Squad (455 points)
• +5 Terminators
• 4 Chainfists
• Assault Cannon
• Heavy Flamer

Heavy Support
Predator (85 points)
• Side Sponson Heavy Bolters

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron (180 points)
• 3 Speeders
• 3x Heavy Flamer
• 3x Tornado Pattern Heavy Flamer

Total
1745 points

The only aspect of this list that I'm not sure about is the predator. There's not much space for Heavy Support, and the Predator seems to fit nicely, but it is very anti infantry, and I already have a lot of that in the form of the Terminators and the Land Speeder Squadron. So, I'd appreciate some help on that front.
I'm currently waiting to see what the next codex brings, and I'll probably redo the entire list. But until then, I'd like to get a cohesive army list together. As before, any opinions and suggestions are more than welcome.

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For the tac squads, I'd swap their rides. Plasma cannons want to be standing back shooting, while HBs work well on the move.

I'm not sure a full 10 man scout squad is needed to camp your home objective. I've had good luck with 5.

The MM/ML dread is a little confused. The MM wants to be up close, the ML wants to sit back. As you have him in a drop pod, I'd keep the MM, and revert back to a DCCW with the HF in it.

That's a big wad of terminators. If you plan on deep striking them, you need homers/beacons, which you have. Big footprint on those guys. That's more eggs in one basket then I prefer. When it works, it should do well, when it goes bad, it's going to be ugly. I don't think you need that many chainfists, and only run the HF if you are out of points, a second assault cannon I think would be better.

Upgrade the pred to an auto/las.

The speeders don't need to be in one big squad. While squadroning is less harsh then it used to be, you are still better flying solo when able. I'd swap some of the HFs for MMs. You need more anti-tank, and this level of flamer is overkill. Might drop one speeder for points.

You have no AA fire. An ADL w/quadgun for the scouts would be nice.

Overall I like the structure of your list. I think it would do very unpleasant things to a foot horde army. But you are very light on AV and AA fire, so will have problems with mech/flyers.

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