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				<description><![CDATA[ Hello all - the last of my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> washes are starting to run out and I've been looking for replacements. I've tried a couple of washes from different companies but found that they tend to be quite gritty (and one thing I will say is that the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> washes are very smooth).<br /> <br /> Does anyone have any particular good experience with washes from any particular company? I want one with a good range of colours, both bright and muted. Dropper bottles are not required but I would not say no <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Make the stuff yourself!<br /> <a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/261541.page" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/261541.page</a>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:07:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Army painter have reportedly bought their latest washes from the old <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> suppliers. THey claim to have equivalents for Badab Black, Gryphonne Sepia and Devlan Mud. <br /> <br /> Their Dark Tone Ink is the old badab black. It seems exactly the same and works well. <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(411);'>WE</span> haven\t bought their Devlan Mud equivalent. <br /> <br /> We also own the Soft Tone Ink, I think it's called, which is supposed to be Gryphonne Sepia - I'm more disappointed in this one, pretty certain it's more grey/dirty and less toffee-coloured than Gryphonne sepia. I've just bought the P3 mid brown, which looks promising. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:12:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/548985/5996119.page"><b>gealgain wrote:</b></a><br/>Make the stuff yourself!<br /> <a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/261541.page" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/261541.page</a></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I do make a lot of my own washes, I just want something handy and ready made so I don't have to mess around <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:20:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ SilverMK2]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The army painter ones are pretty good to use, and a pretty good match.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/devlan-mud-and-badab-black-wash.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/devlan-mud-and-badab-black-wash.html</a><br /> <br /> <a href="http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/review-army-painter-warpaint-inks.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/review-army-painter-warpaint-inks.html</a><br /> <br /> <a href="http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/review-army-painter-warpaints.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://taleofpainters.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/review-army-painter-warpaints.html</a>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:48:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hmmm... the Army Painter "inks" look pretty good. Might have to look into picking up a set - thanks guys.<br /> <br /> Although anyone with other suggestions, please still make them <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:20:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Secret Weapon Washes are supposed to be super awesome, but I have not tried them yet.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:31:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ How do you guys view Vallejo's washes? I've been using them for a couple of weeks but I'm having a bit of issues with them lifting when painting over them.. maybe I need to wait longer for them to dry..?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:48:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7021d1c4511d4a6cda0346ca2efddf51.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/548985/5996448.page"><b>Kanluwen wrote:</b></a><br/>Secret Weapon Washes are supposed to be super awesome, but I have not tried them yet.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I have their heavy black and even with lots of shaking before use iy can still come out grainy and patchy. It was one of the brands i looked at to try out when my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> supply ran low. I might try out a couppe of other colours from tgem to see if i just got a dud bottle or somethinh.<br /> <br /> Tupos as on phone and walking <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:36:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I just tried Cote d"arms light brown wash. It's dreadful. Kind of dusty and bitty, and gives an overall messy look rather than sit in the recesses.<br /> <br /> To make matters worse, I have a tiny amount of Gryphonne Sepia left..  it reminds me why I miss it.  I would try a direct comparison with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> Soft tone but someone's borrowed. I'll try it when we get it back. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:15:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'd add a tentative recommendation for Secret Weapon. <br /> <br /> They have some very interesting colours (I use dried blood and algae quite often) but they do seem to leave a high gloss finish, not a problem if you routinely flat coat the finished article (I do) but could be a p in the a if you don't. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:23:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/8a7d05f4ac799cfe20b3347459148adc.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/548985/5996779.page"><b>Tommy wrote:</b></a><br/>How do you guys view Vallejo's washes? I've been using them for a couple of weeks but I'm having a bit of issues with them lifting when painting over them.. maybe I need to wait longer for them to dry..?</div></blockquote>Only used one (Flesh Wash), but I haven't had or even heard of any issues with lifting.  It's a bit thicker and more intensely pigmented than a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> wash, at least straight out of the bottle, but behaves almost identically, once thinned.  Longer dry time <i>should</i> solve the problem.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:37:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Army painter are realeasing a wash set soon, you can get it from their website.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:47:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the Secret Weapon armor wash is FANTASTIC. I use it on all sorts of stuff. I also have soft black, heavy black, and green, which I use less frequently.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Army painter dark tone is useful.  Was always a fan of the badab black.  However, for patina (that green stuff on the Statue of Liberty), I make the stuff myself from paint and water.  Good for rusty ork vehicles. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Coat d'arms have recently brought out a new range called super shader, its very similar to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> washes, ive tried a couple if them and they do leave a shiny finish, personally I prefer the army painter ones, just not keen on the dropper bottles]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> use Daley Rowny artist's inks (<a href="http://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/advancedsearchresults.aspx?filter=Brand~Daler-Rowney/&query=artists-inks" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.hobbycraft.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/advancedsearchresults.aspx?filter=Brand~Daler-Rowney/&query=artists-inks</a>) mixed with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> glaze medium.<br /> Might be worth a shot??<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Cheaper here: <a href="http://www.discountart.co.uk/category/daler-rowney-fw-acrylic-ink-295ml-bottle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.discountart.co.<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>uk</span>/category/daler-rowney-<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>fw</span>-acrylic-ink-295ml-bottle</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Personally I'm a big fan of Winsor and Newton inks, they're developed for artists and cost around £6 a bottle (30ml).  They can be used straight from the bottle, or thinned down to nearly nothing without leaving " tide marks".<br /> They can also be allowed to dry and then feathered out with water, the only disadvantage is that they need sealing or they will run if you get them wet.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Put some varnish or glaze medium in the mix - this should fix it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the tip, I've just been sealing between stages.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/548985/6000844.page"><b>Bubbatron wrote:</b></a><br/>Coat d'arms have recently brought out a new range called super shader, its very similar to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> washes, ive tried a couple if them and they do leave a shiny finish, personally I prefer the army painter ones, just not keen on the dropper bottles</div></blockquote><br /> It's not really new as it's been out for several years.  Nor is it really a wash and is more analogous to the polyurethane that you would use for dipping models.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Ghaz]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/61329169faf765a42754bd489768d085.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/548985/6002348.page"><b>Ghaz wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/548985/6000844.page"><b>Bubbatron wrote:</b></a><br/>Coat d'arms have recently brought out a new range called super shader, its very similar to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>gw</span> washes, ive tried a couple if them and they do leave a shiny finish, personally I prefer the army painter ones, just not keen on the dropper bottles</div></blockquote><br /> It's not really new as it's been out for several years.  Nor is it really a wash and is more analogous to the polyurethane that you would use for dipping models.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Agh I meant super WASH not super shader...<br /> <br /> You're right about the shader being more dip-like]]></description>
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